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galtgulch
There is a parallel between the rise and election of Obama and the rise and election of Adolf Hitler.

http://www.earthfrisk.com/blog/?p=127

Here is the link to a video of an interview with Obama's newly chosen Chief of Staff:

http://www.earthfrisk.com/blog/?p=128

It is conceivable that Obama himself does not envision the outcome to be horrific or tyrannical but rather desirable and innocent to his way of thinking. Is it really possible that he is a wolf in sheep's clothing but is naive enough to be unaware that what he has in mind might or will turn out to be a fascist dictatorship?

Either way I will just work harder to spread Objectivism and encourage more people to get involved in the www.campaignforliberty.com which I have reason to believe is growing.

I fear that Obama supporters have been virtually hypnotized or are deluded enough so that they will go on supporting whatever he proposes on the faith that he knows better and is to be trusted to have the best interests of America at heart.

Have I succeeded in causing any of you to be frightened to death?

galt
Chris Grieb
Obama isn't Hitler. According to a born-again friend of mine Obama the Anti-Christ.
BaalChatzaf
QUOTE(galtgulch @ Nov 17 2008, 05:26 AM) *
Have I succeeded in causing any of you to be frightened to death?

galt


No. The U.S. has been plagued by statists since the days of Alexander Hamilton. Abe Lincoln did more evil to the Constitution than Obama has proposed or even hinted at. Lincoln closed newspapers opposing the war and placed people in prison without the privilege of habeus corpus.

Woodrow Wilson and Congress nationalized the railroads.

Harry Truman ended strikes by presidential decree and threat of harsh legislation.

FDR made the possession of gold as a monetary store a felony.

Kennedy and LBJ put the U.S. into war without a declaration of war by Congress.

Jimmy Carter was a threat to the security of the U.S. simply by being in office.

Shall I go on?

Question: what ever became of historic perspective?

Ba'al Chatzaf
BaalChatzaf
QUOTE(Chris Grieb @ Nov 17 2008, 05:42 AM) *
Obama isn't Hitler. According to a born-again friend of mine Obama the Anti-Christ.

Your friend is mistaken. I am the anti-christ.

Ba'al Chatzaf
BaalChatzaf
QUOTE(galtgulch @ Nov 17 2008, 05:26 AM) *
There is a parallel between the rise and election of Obama and the rise and election of Adolf Hitler.


Nonsense. Obama could never "wow" a crowd as well as the Fuehrer did.

Besides, history never repeats itself. At best there is a loose resemblance between clusters of events.

The worst Obama can do is make the recession even worse and lead the Democrat dominated Congress to self destruction.

Ba'al Chatzaf

Chris Grieb
Baal; I knew you scared me but now I know why. Could you give me a head-up of one the seven seals will be broken.
Michael Stuart Kelly
I believe that this upcoming time will be full of opportunities for those who look, both for making money and for advancing good ideas.

The worse the result of collectivist policies in the future, the better for those who speak against collectivism now.

Michael
Hallow
QUOTE(BaalChatzaf @ Nov 17 2008, 07:49 AM) *
QUOTE(galtgulch @ Nov 17 2008, 05:26 AM) *
There is a parallel between the rise and election of Obama and the rise and election of Adolf Hitler.



history never repeats itself.

Ba'al Chatzaf


Ba'al, I love you for saying that. I have NEVER met anyone who has said that.
Neha
Barbara Branden
QUOTE(BaalChatzaf @ Nov 17 2008, 12:44 PM) *
QUOTE(galtgulch @ Nov 17 2008, 05:26 AM) *
Have I succeeded in causing any of you to be frightened to death?

galt


No. The U.S. has been plagued by statists since the days of Alexander Hamilton. Abe Lincoln did more evil to the Constitution than Obama has proposed or even hinted at. Lincoln closed newspapers opposing the war and placed people in prison without the privilege of habeus corpus.

Woodrow Wilson and Congress nationalized the railroads.

Harry Truman ended strikes by presidential decree and threat of harsh legislation.

FDR made the possession of gold as a monetary store a felony.

Kennedy and LBJ put the U.S. into war without a declaration of war by Congress.

Jimmy Carter was a threat to the security of the U.S. simply by being in office.

Shall I go on?

Question: what ever became of historic perspective?

Ba'al Chatzaf



Ba'al, your argument can be seen as an argument for the opposite of your point, because each of the steps you name has had permanent negative effects on the country, and has made the next step toward authoritarianism easier. Lincoln made it possible for FDR to imprison American citizens of Japanese descent during World War !!. FDR's New Deal made possible tpday's voters' easy acceptance of economic policies put forth by Obama and the Democrats that once would have been recognized as outrageously detrimental; FDR could not have gotten away some of them, but because of FDR, Obama can get away with them. Kennedy and LBJ made it possible for presidents to go to war without facing serious outrage, and by today the country seems almost to have forgotten that this was not always a presidential prerogative. And bad laws, once enacted, are rarely if ever rescinded; their acceptance makes possible the almost unnoticed passage of still worse laws. And so step by step, some very gradual, some not, we move ever further from the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Where will it stop? Will it stop?

Barbara

BaalChatzaf
QUOTE(Barbara Branden @ Nov 18 2008, 03:35 PM) *
And bad laws, once enacted, are rarely if ever rescinded; their acceptance makes possible the almost unnoticed passage of still worse laws. And so step by step, some very gradual, some not, we move ever further from the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Where will it stop? Will it stop?

Barbara


Please note that we do not now have a draft. That is one law that was not maintained. The Alien and Sedition act was repealed. The fugitive slave law has been voided. Free speech and publication has better protection than it did during the days of the Comstock Laws. Abortion has been decriminalized (at least in part). And Prohibition was repealed.

Will constitutional erosion stop? Probably not. It will go on until the country grinds to a halt.

I just wanted to note that there have been worse things in the past than are now in force presently. Of course things can get worse than they are now. They could also get better.

Ba'al Chatzaf
Barbara Branden
QUOTE(BaalChatzaf @ Nov 18 2008, 09:45 PM) *
QUOTE(Barbara Branden @ Nov 18 2008, 03:35 PM) *
And bad laws, once enacted, are rarely if ever rescinded; their acceptance makes possible the almost unnoticed passage of still worse laws. And so step by step, some very gradual, some not, we move ever further from the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Where will it stop? Will it stop?

Barbara


Please note that we do not now have a draft. That is one law that was not maintained. The Alien and Sedition act was repealed. The fugitive slave law has been voided. Free speech and publication has better protection than it did during the days of the Comstock Laws. Abortion has been decriminalized (at least in part). And Prohibition was repealed.

Will constitutional erosion stop? Probably not. It will go on until the country grinds to a halt.

I just wanted to note that there have been worse things in the past than are now in force presently. Of course things can get worse than they are now. They could also get better.

Ba'al Chatzaf


Ba'al, we don't have a military draft, but we seem likely to have "Obama Youth"-- Obama's "civil defense force," obligatory for everyone aged 18-25, which he announced must be even stronger than the military, and of which, presumably, he would be Commander in Chief. Also, the huge number of volunteers working for Obama during the campaign are still marshalled, and while in the past such groups were turned over to the Democratic National Committee, now, the people around Obama want to leave them in force but still as volunteers who will support Obama and his policies These two together, plus Obama's equivocal attitude toward gun ownership, are scary; I'm sure I don't have to spell out what they are reminiscent of.

We don't have the Alien and Sedition Act, but if the Fairness Doctrine becomes law once more, as many Democrats intend, it can be the practical equivalent of that section of the Act that forbids criticism of the government, and it certainly will severely limit free speech on radio and television.

We don't have the Comstock Laws forbidding the sale and advertisement of contraceptive devices, but we still have laws against pornography and we seem likely to have new laws prohibiting the depiction of acts of violence.

Prohibition has been repealed, and in its place we have the War Against Drugs and all the laws against smoking.

I don't mean to be the voice of doom. I'm not suggesting that disaster inevitably lies ahead; it still might be averted. I'm saying that it's a very real possibility that we will take giant steps toward a fascist state once we have a Democratic president, Congress, and Supreme Court, and that burying our heads in the sand and talking blithely of checks and balances will change nothing.

Barbara
.

galtgulch


"I don't mean to be the voice of doom. I'm not suggesting that disaster inevitably lies ahead; it still might be averted. I'm saying that it's a very real possibility that we will take giant steps toward a fascist state once we have a Democratic president, Congress, and Supreme Court, and that burying our heads in the sand and talking blithely of checks and balances will change nothing. "

Barbara

The Ron Paul supporters have joined his www.campaignforliberty.com which is organizing in all fifty states and there is reason to believe that their numbers are growing and will continue to do so. They plan to run candidates for Congress and other offices from among their ranks until they succeed in enlightening enough of the populace to restore the Constitutional republic.

I suggest that Objectivists join and participate in this pro freedom movement in your state. It is an opportunity for each of us to rub elbows with people with whom we share certain fundamental ideas about human freedom. I expect that many of them would be open to reason in areas where we disagree. I know that Ron Paul has recommended Atlas Shrugged in the bibliography of his best seller The Revolution: A Manifesto as well as books by Ludwig von Mises.

I am sure you would be welcomed if you were to join and help the cause which they share with us.

galt

BaalChatzaf
QUOTE(Barbara Branden @ Nov 18 2008, 11:14 PM) *
QUOTE(BaalChatzaf @ Nov 18 2008, 09:45 PM) *
QUOTE(Barbara Branden @ Nov 18 2008, 03:35 PM) *
And bad laws, once enacted, are rarely if ever rescinded; their acceptance makes possible the almost unnoticed passage of still worse laws. And so step by step, some very gradual, some not, we move ever further from the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Where will it stop? Will it stop?

Barbara


Please note that we do not now have a draft. That is one law that was not maintained. The Alien and Sedition act was repealed. The fugitive slave law has been voided. Free speech and publication has better protection than it did during the days of the Comstock Laws. Abortion has been decriminalized (at least in part). And Prohibition was repealed.

Will constitutional erosion stop? Probably not. It will go on until the country grinds to a halt.

I just wanted to note that there have been worse things in the past than are now in force presently. Of course things can get worse than they are now. They could also get better.

Ba'al Chatzaf


Ba'al, we don't have a military draft, but we seem likely to have "Obama Youth"-- Obama's "civil defense force," obligatory for everyone aged 18-25, which he announced must be even stronger than the military, and of which, presumably, he would be Commander in Chief. Also, the huge number of volunteers working for Obama during the campaign are still marshalled, and while in the past such groups were turned over to the Democratic National Committee, now, the people around Obama want to leave them in force but still as volunteers who will support Obama and his policies These two together, plus Obama's equivocal attitude toward gun ownership, are scary; I'm sure I don't have to spell out what they are reminiscent of.

We don't have the Alien and Sedition Act, but if the Fairness Doctrine becomes law once more, as many Democrats intend, it can be the practical equivalent of that section of the Act that forbids criticism of the government, and it certainly will severely limit free speech on radio and television.

We don't have the Comstock Laws forbidding the sale and advertisement of contraceptive devices, but we still have laws against pornography and we seem likely to have new laws prohibiting the depiction of acts of violence.

Prohibition has been repealed, and in its place we have the War Against Drugs and all the laws against smoking.

I don't mean to be the voice of doom. I'm not suggesting that disaster inevitably lies ahead; it still might be averted. I'm saying that it's a very real possibility that we will take giant steps toward a fascist state once we have a Democratic president, Congress, and Supreme Court, and that burying our heads in the sand and talking blithely of checks and balances will change nothing.

Barbara
.


My point was to give a counter-example to your general assertion that bad laws do not go away. Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don't. All it takes is one counter-example to falsify a general (universally quantified) proposition. Logic 101. Please keep that in mind when you write your book on thinking.

As to the "Obama Jugend" (Sieg Barak!), that is a proposal and not a fact or not yet a fact. Even if such a youth movement should emerge, if it emerges as a purely voluntary non-tax payer funded thing, there is not a blessed thing we can do about it. Let Obama reveal his compromises and political pragmatism and some of the shining glory will wear off. Kennedy had his youth movement and peace corps. You see where that led, did you not? Nowhere significant. Camelot went away.

We have enough problems for real, so we do not have to compound them with a loss of historical and factual perspective. Let us deal with the problems we have to hand. If the Democrats get their philibuster proof senate they will choke on their excesses and the reaction will set in for the 2010 bi-election or 2012. The country will survive four more years (with some pain). If we survived Jimmy Carter and the Civil War we can survive Obama. Hell, we survived 12 plus years of FDR, yes?

The only thing I am worried about is that some really big "emergency" will happen and our dusky Feuhrer will rule by decree (either executive order or fatwah) with permission of Congress. Now that is a real possibility and I do not deny it. If that comes about it will be a black day for America. I think the probability of that happening is lowish.

The bad news is Obama won. The good news is that he only gets to be King for four years at a time. This too shall pass. More good news. Obama is not nearly as masterful a mass hypnotist as was Adolph Hitler. His excesses will be spoofed on t.v. and newspaper cartoonist will lampoon him without mercy. Such antidotes to godhood were not available in Germany in the late 1930s. Obama will have to be subtle. Jackbooted thugs will not walk through the streets without effective protests. America may be somewhat fascist, but it is soft "user friendly" fascism (which is what makes it dangerous, by the way). Also keep in mind that "Joe the Plumber" was not just one, but one of millions of other Joe-s. Vee haff vays of dealing with would be dictators.

Ba'al Chatzaf
BaalChatzaf
QUOTE(BaalChatzaf @ Nov 19 2008, 06:17 AM) *
QUOTE(Barbara Branden @ Nov 18 2008, 11:14 PM) *
QUOTE(BaalChatzaf @ Nov 18 2008, 09:45 PM) *
QUOTE(Barbara Branden @ Nov 18 2008, 03:35 PM) *
And bad laws, once enacted, are rarely if ever rescinded; their acceptance makes possible the almost unnoticed passage of still worse laws. And so step by step, some very gradual, some not, we move ever further from the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Where will it stop? Will it stop?

Barbara


Please note that we do not now have a draft. That is one law that was not maintained. The Alien and Sedition act was repealed. The fugitive slave law has been voided. Free speech and publication has better protection than it did during the days of the Comstock Laws. Abortion has been decriminalized (at least in part). And Prohibition was repealed.

Will constitutional erosion stop? Probably not. It will go on until the country grinds to a halt.

I just wanted to note that there have been worse things in the past than are now in force presently. Of course things can get worse than they are now. They could also get better.

Ba'al Chatzaf


Ba'al, we don't have a military draft, but we seem likely to have "Obama Youth"-- Obama's "civil defense force," obligatory for everyone aged 18-25, which he announced must be even stronger than the military, and of which, presumably, he would be Commander in Chief. Also, the huge number of volunteers working for Obama during the campaign are still marshalled, and while in the past such groups were turned over to the Democratic National Committee, now, the people around Obama want to leave them in force but still as volunteers who will support Obama and his policies These two together, plus Obama's equivocal attitude toward gun ownership, are scary; I'm sure I don't have to spell out what they are reminiscent of.

We don't have the Alien and Sedition Act, but if the Fairness Doctrine becomes law once more, as many Democrats intend, it can be the practical equivalent of that section of the Act that forbids criticism of the government, and it certainly will severely limit free speech on radio and television.

We don't have the Comstock Laws forbidding the sale and advertisement of contraceptive devices, but we still have laws against pornography and we seem likely to have new laws prohibiting the depiction of acts of violence.

Prohibition has been repealed, and in its place we have the War Against Drugs and all the laws against smoking.

I don't mean to be the voice of doom. I'm not suggesting that disaster inevitably lies ahead; it still might be averted. I'm saying that it's a very real possibility that we will take giant steps toward a fascist state once we have a Democratic president, Congress, and Supreme Court, and that burying our heads in the sand and talking blithely of checks and balances will change nothing.

Barbara
.



My point was to give a counter-example to your general assertion that bad laws do not go away. Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don't. All it takes is one counter-example to falsify a general (universally quantified) proposition. Logic 101. Please keep that in mind when you write your book on thinking.

As to the "Obama Jugend" (Sieg Barak!), that is a proposal and not a fact or not yet a fact. Even if such a youth movement should emerge, if it emerges as a purely voluntary non-tax payer funded thing, there is not a blessed thing we can do about it. Let Obama reveal his compromises and political pragmatism and some of the shining glory will wear off. Kennedy had his youth movement and peace corps. You see where that led, did you not? Nowhere significant. Camelot went away.

We have enough problems for real, so we do not have to compound them with a loss of historical and factual perspective. Let us deal with the problems we have to hand. If the Democrats get their philibuster proof senate they will choke on their excesses and the reaction will set in for the 2010 bi-election or 2012. The country will survive four more years (with some pain). If we survived Jimmy Carter and the Civil War we can survive Obama. Hell, we survived 12 plus years of FDR, yes?

The only thing I am worried about is that some really big "emergency" will happen and our dusky Feuhrer will rule by decree (either executive order or fatwah) with permission of Congress. Now that is a real possibility and I do not deny it. If that comes about it will be a black day for America. I think the probability of that happening is lowish.

The bad news is Obama won. The good news is that he only gets to be King for four years at a time. This too shall pass. More good news. Obama is not nearly as masterful a mass hypnotist as was Adolph Hitler. His excesses will be spoofed on t.v. and newspaper cartoonist will lampoon him without mercy. Such antidotes to godhood were not available in Germany in the late 1930s. Obama will have to be subtle. Jackbooted thugs will not walk through the streets without effective protests. America may be somewhat fascist, but it is soft "user friendly" fascism (which is what makes it dangerous, by the way). Also keep in mind that "Joe the Plumber" was not just one, but one of millions of other Joe-s. Vee haff vays of dealing with would be dictators.

Our likely fate is not to become another Nazi Germany, but to become a Socialist England as happened under Clement Atlee following WW2. While that did great damage to Britain eventually Margaret Thatcher emerged and she oversaw the undoing of much of the damage. It was all done without violence. The seeds of correction lie within the body politic.

Ba'al Chatzaf
Michael E. Marotta
QUOTE
"History does repeat itself. The first time, it is history. The second time, it is farce." -- Karl Marx.


Barbara Branden
To Jewish Ba'al: we could do very well without using such adjectives, could we not?

Barbara
Barbara Branden
Ba'al: "All it takes is one counter-example to falsify a general (universally quantified) proposition. Logic 101. Please keep that in mind when you write your book on thinking."

Thanks for the news flash.

Barbara

BaalChatzaf
QUOTE(Barbara Branden @ Nov 20 2008, 08:24 PM) *
To Jewish Ba'al: we could do very well without using such adjectives, could we not?

Barbara



Huh?

Ba'al Chatzaf
Ted Keer
QUOTE(BaalChatzaf @ Nov 21 2008, 07:38 AM) *
QUOTE(Barbara Branden @ Nov 20 2008, 08:24 PM) *
To Jewish Ba'al: we could do very well without using such adjectives, could we not?

Barbara



Huh?

Ba'al Chatzaf


"Dusky" (Although it does have a nice ironic connotation when one recalls the racialist context of "Fuehrer.")
BaalChatzaf
QUOTE(Ted Keer @ Nov 21 2008, 09:44 AM) *
"Dusky" (Although it does have a nice ironic connotation when one recalls the racialist context of "Fuehrer.")


Dusky as opposed to Fair. An accurate description.

Since when is referring to the darker coloration of a person with African ancestry "racist"?

You should see me after a summer in the sun. Brown as a berry.

Ba'al Chatzaf
Barbara Branden
Ba'al: "Dusky as opposed to Fair. An accurate description. Since when is referring to the darker coloration of a person with African ancestry 'racist'?"

When it's irrelevant. But okay, if you think it's just fine, you won't mind being referred to as "Jewish Ba'al." It's simply "an accurate description."

Barbara
BaalChatzaf
QUOTE(Barbara Branden @ Nov 21 2008, 12:28 PM) *
Ba'al: "Dusky as opposed to Fair. An accurate description. Since when is referring to the darker coloration of a person with African ancestry 'racist'?"

When it's irrelevant. But okay, if you think it's just fine, you won't mind being referred to as "Jewish Ba'al." It's simply "an accurate description."

Barbara


I have been Jewish all my life, so I do not mind.

Ba'al Chatzaf
Dragonfly
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
Brant Gaede
QUOTE(Barbara Branden @ Nov 21 2008, 10:28 AM) *
Ba'al: "Dusky as opposed to Fair. An accurate description. Since when is referring to the darker coloration of a person with African ancestry 'racist'?"

When it's irrelevant. But okay, if you think it's just fine, you won't mind being referred to as "Jewish Ba'al." It's simply "an accurate description."

Barbara

Don't forget me. Nordic Brant!

--Brant
"Churches nearby"
Dragonfly
And don't forget your Dutch uncle.
Michael E. Marotta
QUOTE(BaalChatzaf @ Nov 19 2008, 06:21 AM) *
As to the "Obama Jugend" (Sieg Barak!), that is a proposal and not a fact or not yet a fact. Even if ...


That would be Heil Barak. Apparently, you never learned much Yiddish. (Old joke: what is the difference between a dialect and a language? Dialects don't have armies.)

Looking for archives about Nixon Youths, Nixon Girls, Youth for Goldwater and similar archaisms, I found this video from the Nixon campaign. Nixon had a very popularist, youth-oriented agenda -- 18-year old votes, ending the selective service, bringing the troops home, increased federal support for medical care,...

Remember, too, his wage and price freeze, devaluing the dollar, ending gold convertibility for the dollar ...

Now that Pres.-E. Obama is a reality it is important to keep some perspective.

Over on RoR, I posted some links to four new single-engine jet aircraft. At about $1.5 million each, these are affordable, personal craft for executives, entrepreurs and others who need to be someplace with minimum hassles. The CEO of Eclipse, Vern Rayburn, was touting his plane's fuel efficiency on the basis of $100-a-barrel oil. "We'll never see $60 a barrel again," he said. Well, he was wrong.

I completed a bachelor's in criminology in April 2008. For three years, I have been a full voting member of ASIS International -- the new logo for the American Society for Industrial Security. I get Security Management every month. It is always the end of the world with them, too. Guard dogs who bark too much don't do you much good. I sent my wife a link from a gold bug who predicted the banking meltdown. She sent me back a link showing that the guy had "been on a bear tear" for five years. Sooner or later, he had to be right...

Michael Crichton's STATE OF FEAR is not "about" environmentalism, it is "about" the fear industry.

Libertarians are among the biggest consumers of fear.

President Barack Obama shows all the promise of Franklin Pierce, Chester Allen Arthur, and Calvin Coolidge. Get over it. He is just another president. Our nation is a democracy. Our motto is E PLURIBUS UNUM -- "out of many, one" if you wish, but I translate it as "one out of a milllion." We are all pretty common ... except the very few who are not... Pres. Obama is, likewise, unum e pluribus.
Michael Stuart Kelly
QUOTE(Michael E. Marotta @ Dec 1 2008, 08:04 AM) *
Michael Crichton's STATE OF FEAR is not "about" environmentalism, it is "about" the fear industry.

Libertarians are among the biggest consumers of fear.

Michael,

It is about both, but you are right in that the main message is about fear. (I also agree with you about libertarians in general.) I started a thread on this back in April of last year where I quoted what I consider to be the most important part of that book. The social machinery of fear mongering is so obvious and so ignored that it bears repeating.

Michael

QUOTE(Michael Stuart Kelly @ Apr 20 2007, 05:05 PM) *
State of Fear

I am starting this thread to discuss a syndrome I found in the book State of Fear by Michael Crichton. I am probably pushing the limits of fair use, but this is very important. I broke it up to make up for the length and I hope this use sells more books for the author and publisher. Please buy the book. It is worth every cent.

The excerpt speaks for itself. The quote is from a crazy professor-almost-prophet type (Hoffman) who showed up suddenly and the hero (Evans). Hoffman starts. (pp. 453-459)

QUOTE
”If you study the media, as my graduate students and I do, seeking to find shifts in normative conceptualization, you discover something extremely interesting. We looked at transcripts of news programs of the major networks—NBC, ABC, CBS. We also looked at stories in the newspapers of New York, Washington, Miami, Los Angeles, and Seattle. We counted the frequency of certain concepts in terms used by the media. The results are very striking.” He paused.

“What did you find?” Evans said, taking his cue.

“There was a major shift in the fall of 1989. Before that time, the media did not make excessive use of terms such as crisis, catastrophe, cataclysm, plague, or disaster. For example during the 1980s, the word crisis appeared in news reports about as often as the word budget. In addition, prior to 1989, adjectives such as dire, unprecedented, dreaded were not common in television reports or newspaper headlines. But then it all changed.”

“In what way?”

“These terms started to become more and more common. The word catastrophe was used five times more often in 1995 than it was in 1985. It is doubled again by the year 2000. And the stories changed, too. There was a heightened emphasis on feat, worry, danger, uncertainty, panic.”

“Why should it have changed in 1989?”

. . .

“At first we thought the association was spurious. But it wasn’t. The Berlin Wall marks the collapse of the Soviet empire. And the end of the Cold War that had lasted for half a century in the West.”

. . .

“I am a leading to the notion of social control, Peter. To the requirement of every sovereign state to exert control over the behavior of its citizens, to keep them orderly and reasonably docile. To keep them driving on the right side of the road—or the left, as the case may be. To keep them paying taxes. And of course we know that social control is best managed through fear.



“Fear,” Evans said.

“Exactly. For fifty years, Western nations had maintained their citizens in the state of perpetual fear. Fear of the other side. Fear of nuclear war. The Communist menace. The Iron Curtain. The Evil Empire. And within the Communist countries, the same in reverse. Fear of us. Then, suddenly, in the fall of 1989, it was all finished. Gone, vanished. Over. The fall of the Berlin Wall created a vacuum of fear. Nature abhors a vacuum. Something had to fill it.”

Evans frowned. “You’re saying that environmental crisis took the place of the Cold War?”

“That is what the evidence shows. Of course, now we have radical fundamentalism and post-9/11 terrorism to make us afraid, and those are certainly real reasons for fear, but that is not my point. My point is, there is always a cause for fear. The cause may change over time, but the fear is always with us. Before terrorism we feared the toxic environment. Before that we had the Communist menace. The point is, although the specific cause of our fear may change, we are never without the fear itself. Here pervades society in all its aspects. Perpetually.”

He shifted on the concrete bench, turning away from the crowds.

“Has it ever occurred to you how astonishing the culture of Western society really is? Industrialized nations provide their citizens with unprecedented safety, health, and comfort. Average life spans increased fifty percent in the last century. Yet modern people live in abject fear. They are afraid of strangers, of disease, of crime, of the environment. They are afraid of the homes they live in, the food they eat, the technology that surrounds them. They are in a particular panic over things they can’t even see—germs, chemicals, additives, pollutants. They are timid, nervous, fretful, and depressed. And even more amazingly, they are convinced that the environment of the entire planet is being destroyed around them. Remarkable! Like to believe in witchcraft, it’s an extraordinary delusion—a global fantasy worthy of the Middle Ages. Everything is going to hell, and we must live in fear. Amazing.

“How has this world view been instilled in everybody? Because although we imagine we live in different nations—France, Germany, Japan, the US—in fact, we inhabit exactly the same state, the State of Fear. How has that been accomplished?”

Evans said nothing. He knew it wasn’t necessary.

“Well, I shall tell you how,” he said. “In the old days—before your time, Peter—citizens of the West believed their nation-states were dominated by something called the military-industrial complex. Eisenhower warned Americans against it and the 1960s, and after two world wars Europeans knew very well what it meant in their own countries. But the military-industrial complex is no longer the primary driver of society. In reality, for the last fifteen years we have been under the control of an entirely new complex, far more powerful and far more pervasive. I call it the politico-legal-media complex. The PLM. And it is dedicated to promoting fear in the population—under the guise of promoting safety.”

“Safety is important.”

“Please. Western nations are fabulously safe. Yet people do not feel they are, because of the PLM. And the PLM is powerful and stable, precisely because it unites so many institutions of society. Politicians need fears to control the population. Lawyers need dangers to litigate, and make money. The media needs scare stories to capture an audience. Together, these three estates are so compelling that they can go about their business even if the scare is totally groundless. If it has no basis in fact at all.”

. . .

At the very least, we are talking about a moral outrage. Thus we can expect our religious leaders and our great humanitarian figures to cry out against this waste and the needless deaths around the world that results. But do any religious leaders speak out? No. Quite the contrary, they join the chorus. They promote ‘What Would Jesus Drive?’ As if they have forgotten that what Jesus would drive is the false prophets and fearmongers out of the temple.”

He was getting quite heated now.

“What we’re talking about is a situation that is profoundly immoral. It is disgusting, if truth be told. The PLM callously ignores the plight of the poorest and most desperate human beings on our planet in order to keep fat politicians in office, rich news anchors on the air, and conniving lawyers in Mercedes-Benz convertibles. Oh, and our university professors in Volvos. Let’s not forget them.”

. . .

“What happened,” he continued, “is the universities transformed themselves in the 1980s. Formerly bastions of intellectual freedom in a world of Babbittry, formerly the locus of sexual freedom and experimentation, they now became the most restrictive environments in modern society. Because they had a new role to play. They became the creators of new fears for the PLM. Universities today are factories of fear. They invent all the new terrors and all the new social anxieties. All the new respective codes. Words you can’t say. Thoughts you can’t think. They produce a steady stream of new anxieties, dangers, and social terrors to be used by politicians, lawyers, and reporters. Foods that are bad for you. Behaviors that are unacceptable. Can’t smoke, can’t swear, can’t screw, can’t think. These institutions have been stood on their heads in a generation. It is really quite extraordinary.

“The modern State of Fear could never exist without universities feeding it. There is a peculiar neo-Stalinist mode of thought that is required to support all this, and it can throve only in a restricted setting, behind closed doors, without due process. And our society, only universities have created that—so far. The notion that these institutions are liberal is a cruel joke. They’re fascist to the core, I’m telling you.”

I am very grateful for reading this book if only because of this passage. I have perceived an excess of fear here in the USA that is not present in Brazil and I have been perplexed as to what it is. When I look, I see what Crichton says is true. The world is essentially a much safer place than years ago, but people are sheep and scared out of their wits.

I read George Reisman’s 1990 essay on environmentalism, where he said environmentalism was the migration of leftists after the collapse of Communism. I find Crichton’s analysis much more compelling. Maybe there are many leftists in it, but fear is the product being manufactured.

Also, Objectivists, who had been fed a diet of doomsday scenarios ever since the founding (“the world is perishing in an orgy of…”), are especially susceptible to this perpetual State of Fear. Now I understand their bigotry against Muslims. They are crapping in their pants. This has bothered me because Objectivism is not a philosophy of cowardice or collectivism.

I even see this in how the Iraq war was sold to the USA. There is an article that probes the media’s complicity in spreading false information. If you look underneath, you see that the media was spreading fear and was not very careful on sources when the fear was good.

'Devastating 'Moyers Probe of Press and Iraq Coming
by Greg Mitchell
April 19, 2007
Editor & Publisher

From the article:

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The most powerful indictment of the news media for falling down in its duties in the run-up to the war in Iraq will appear next Wednesday, a 90-minute PBS broadcast called "Buying the War," which marks the return of "Bill Moyers Journal." E&P was sent a preview DVD and a draft transcript for the program this week.

While much of the evidence of the media's role as cheerleaders for the war presented here is not new, it is skillfully assembled, with many fresh quotes from interviews (with the likes of Tim Russert and Walter Pincus) along with numerous embarrassing examples of past statements by journalists and pundits that proved grossly misleading or wrong. Several prominent media figures, prodded by Moyers, admit the media failed miserably, though few take personal responsibility.

The war continues today, now in its fifth year, with the death toll for Americans and Iraqis rising again -- yet Moyers points out, "the press has yet to come to terms with its role in enabling the Bush Administration to go to war on false pretenses."

. . .

Of the 414 Iraq stories broadcast on NBC, ABC and CBS nightly news in the six months before the war, almost all could be traced back to sources solely in the White House, Pentagon or State Dept., Moyers tells Russert, who offers no coherent reply.

The program closes on a sad note, with Moyers pointing out that "so many of the advocates and apologists for the war are still flourishing in the media." He then runs a pre-war clip of President Bush declaring, "We cannot wait for the final proof: the smoking gun that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud." Then he explains: "The man who came up with it was Michael Gerson, President Bush's top speechwriter.

"He has left the White House and has been hired by the Washington Post as a columnist."

I am not claiming that the war was a bad thing. I am merely pointing out that it was sold on the basis of fear and that this was way too easy, even with the lack of hard evidence.

I started this thread because the State of Fear (not the book, the syndrome) is so wide-ranging that it transcends this topic or that like global warming, the Islamist threat, gun control, etc. I believe it needs a separate discussion.

I am duly impressed.

Disasters strike the few, not the many. It’s a wonderful world, folks. We are lucky to be alive at this time. We should enjoy it and stop letting fear rob us of our happiness. We can deal with serious problems without doing that. We most definitely can.

Michael
Brant Gaede
Ah. Fear of fear?

--Brant
Michael Stuart Kelly
Brant,

Actually it's make big bucks with fear.

Michael
Michael E. Marotta
QUOTE(Michael Stuart Kelly @ Dec 1 2008, 10:17 AM) *
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Michael Crichton's STATE OF FEAR is not "about" environmentalism, it is "about" the fear industry.
Libertarians are among the biggest consumers of fear.

I started a thread on this back in April of last year where I quoted what I consider to be the most important part of that book.


Thanks for your hard work, Michael. I will find that thread and comment there. For now, I note that the title of this thread ends in an exclamation point.

It would not have mattered who was elected President. The title would have worked and the details would have pointed to the same conclusion.
Michael Stuart Kelly
QUOTE(Michael E. Marotta @ Dec 1 2008, 07:10 PM) *
I will find that thread and comment there.

Michael,

It's easy to find that thread. Click on the arrow inside the little pink box (in the post above, of course) and you go straight there. This box appears whenever someone quotes another post and uses the "Quote" feature. See the image below:



Michael
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