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Michael Stuart Kelly
Here are Sarah's 2 takes from Saturday Night Live last night.





For those with difficulty playing the widgets, here are the links:

Gov. Palin pays a visit to the show

Palin Rap

Michael
Brant Gaede
The moose touch was hilarious.

--Brant
Michael Stuart Kelly
Here are the lyrics to the Sarah Palin Rap:

QUOTE
SNL - Sarah Palin Rap - Amy Poehler

One two three

My name is Sarah Palin you all know me
Vice President nominee of the GOP
Gonna need your vote in the next election
Can I get a "what what" from the senior section
McCain got experience, McCain got style
But don’t let him freak you out when he tries to smile
Cause that smile be creepy
But when I be VP
All the leaders in the world gonna finally meet me

How’s it go Eskimo
(Eskimos)
Tell me what you know Eskimo
(Eskimos)
How you feel Eskimo
(Ice cold)
Tell me tell me what you feel Eskimo
(Super cold)

I’m Jeremiah Wright cause tonight I’m the preacha
I got a bookish look and you’re all hot for teacha
Todd lookin fine on his snow machine
So hot boy gonna need a go between
In Wasilla we just chill baby chilla
But when I see oil lets drill baby drill

My country tis a thee
From my porch i can see
Russia and such

All the mavericks in the house put your hands up
All the mavericks in the house put your hands up
All the plumbers in the house pull your pants up
All the plumbers in the house pull your pants up

When I say "Obama" you say "Ayers"
Obama. (Ayers) Obama (Ayers)
I built me a bridge - it ain’t goin’ nowhere.
(Ohhh)

McCain, Palin, gonna put the nail in the coffin
Of the media elite
(She likes red meat)
Shoot a mother-humpin moose, eight days of the week

[three gunshots]

Now ya dead, now ya dead,
Cause I’m an animal, and I’m bigger than you
Holdin a shotgun walk in the pub
Everybody party, we’re goin on a hunt
La la la la la la la la

[six gunshots]

Yo I’m Palin, I’m out!
Michael Stuart Kelly
For lack of a better place, here is McCain on Letterman on Thursday, Oct. 16, 2008.

Late Show w/ David Letterman - Sen John McCain, Full Interview



I put this here in the Palin on Saturday Night Live thread because I believe these two appearances are almost more decisive and effective on voters than the issues in this campaign.

Michael
Chris Grieb
Michael; If McCain wins Joe the Plumber better have a front row seat at the Inauguration. Anything less would be unjust.
Judith
You know, what's really sad is that McCain and Palin made much better impressions here than they did in their debates and formal appearances. It's a pity they didn't just fire their handlers and be themselves for all their appearances.

Judith
Michael E. Marotta
QUOTE(Judith @ Oct 21 2008, 08:21 PM) *
You know, what's really sad is that McCain and Palin made much better impressions here than they did in their debates and formal appearances. It's a pity they didn't just fire their handlers and be themselves for all their appearances.
Judith


Perhaps the problem is our personal perspectives. We have a hard time understanding that collectivism is not just an abstract philosophy. It is state of mind. At some level, even the student council president depends on a circle of friends and that dependency is integral to who they are. Long before making the national level a politician learns who to rely on -- but that choice is among alternatives, not a choice about whether or not to rely on others. That is a given.

One reason that Libertarians of the LP do not win office is that they are too individualistic. They lack a coterie of devoted advisors. You can call them "handlers" if you want, but the role is the same.

There may be successful politicians who go it alone. Stalin might have been one: he killed off his inner circle... or maybe we just do not know who is real inner circle was...

For better or worse, no politician in the media focus right now seems to be that isolated. Even Ron Paul does not wing it on his own. He has people he relies on for opinions. Like counting the players who pass the ball three times, (Note: after you click on that, then scroll down to the applet video player bar...) you have to keep score to know who is on Ron Paul's inner team.
Politics is a lot like that, really.
Brant Gaede
QUOTE(Michael E. Marotta @ Oct 22 2008, 03:05 PM) *
QUOTE(Judith @ Oct 21 2008, 08:21 PM) *
You know, what's really sad is that McCain and Palin made much better impressions here than they did in their debates and formal appearances. It's a pity they didn't just fire their handlers and be themselves for all their appearances.
Judith


Perhaps the problem is our personal perspectives. We have a hard time understanding that collectivism is not just an abstract philosophy. It is state of mind. At some level, even the student council president depends on a circle of friends and that dependency is integral to who they are. Long before making the national level a politician learns who to rely on -- but that choice is among alternatives, not a choice about whether or not to rely on others. That is a given.

One reason that Libertarians of the LP do not win office is that they are too individualistic. They lack a coterie of devoted advisors. You can call them "handlers" if you want, but the role is the same.

There may be successful politicians who go it alone. Stalin might have been one: he killed off his inner circle... or maybe we just do not know who is real inner circle was...

For better or worse, no politician in the media focus right now seems to be that isolated. Even Ron Paul does not wing it on his own. He has people he relies on for opinions. Like counting the players who pass the ball three times, (Note: after you click on that, then scroll down to the applet video player bar...) you have to keep score to know who is on Ron Paul's inner team.
Politics is a lot like that, really.

In politics you rely on people for money, if you've not much of your own. No money, no game.

--Brant
Judith
QUOTE(Michael E. Marotta @ Oct 22 2008, 06:05 PM) *
Perhaps the problem is our personal perspectives. We have a hard time understanding that collectivism is not just an abstract philosophy. It is state of mind. At some level, even the student council president depends on a circle of friends and that dependency is integral to who they are. Long before making the national level a politician learns who to rely on -- but that choice is among alternatives, not a choice about whether or not to rely on others. That is a given.

One reason that Libertarians of the LP do not win office is that they are too individualistic. They lack a coterie of devoted advisors. You can call them "handlers" if you want, but the role is the same.

There may be successful politicians who go it alone. Stalin might have been one: he killed off his inner circle... or maybe we just do not know who is real inner circle was...

For better or worse, no politician in the media focus right now seems to be that isolated. Even Ron Paul does not wing it on his own. He has people he relies on for opinions. Like counting the players who pass the ball three times, (Note: after you click on that, then scroll down to the applet video player bar...) you have to keep score to know who is on Ron Paul's inner team.
Politics is a lot like that, really.

There's a difference between trusted advisors and professional handlers like image advisors and people who rely on polls to tell a politician what kind of expression to wear during a debate, and how to answer certain questions. It's the latter to which I am referring; the "gloss" they tried to put on Sarah Palin after the announcement of her candidacy, all the "grooming" of both of them for the debates, the media image, etc. I think it backfired big time.

Judith
Ted Keer
Okay, Michael, how do you insert those youtube clips?
Michael Stuart Kelly
Ted,

See here.

Michael
Ted Keer
Okay
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Agh! I can't find this html code option - I have found the rich text toggle.
Ted Keer
Michael, is it possible it's my browser? I have tried safari, Firefox and Netscape. I do see the post options area, but only this:

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Thanks for your help.
Michael Stuart Kelly
Ted,

See here.

Michael
Ted Keer
Wow, where did that come from? It wasn't there before! Here's Watership Down, part 1 Thanks! Now, I understand this can only be used on threads that you have enabled?
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