quote name='Michelle R' date='16 July 2009 - 02:22 PM' timestamp='1247772152' post='75386'] Xray, you should hide your excitement about this topic a little bit. It's indecent.
You sound a bit prim, Michelle. "Indecent", lol. Are we in Sunday school here?
Ayn Rand's gender hierarchy is also evident in her novels, surely you won't dispute this? But it looks like bringing this up always causes vehement emotional reactions.
That said, Dagny Taggart is one of the best role-models for women that you'll find in modern literature. She is not "subservient" to the men in the novel. Most of Rand's hero-worship rubbish is left out of ATLAS SHRUGGED, anyway.
Dagny Taggart is a subservient hero worshiper if there ever was one. Remember how for example she voluntarily offers her services to John Galt as his "cook and housemaid", feeling the "eager, desperate, tremulous hope of the a young girl on her first job: the hope that she would be able to deserve it." Remember Rand explicity said she had modeled Dagny after herself, so it was only natural that she would make her a hero worshiper too. As for the male heros in her novels - they all were more or less recreations of "Cyrus", a fantasy adventure story hero Rand got infatuated with as a young girl, mixed with traits of "Leo", the unresponsive real-life object of her desire. Have you read Barbara Branden's book "The Passion of Ayn Rand"?
As for picking role models from fiction: do you think this serves to develop one's individuality?
Oh? Does one stop being a lady when one no longer attends Sunday School?
Cut the pseudo-psych. Dagny is certainly not "subservient." John Galt, to Dagny, is the perfect man. And this perfect creatures saves her life. Of course she's going to be respectful and slightly awed in his presence, and offer her services to him. Or are you one of those people who thinks that domestic activity degrades a woman? It's not like she becomes his loyal housewife (although, if this is what she wanted, what would there be wrong in that?). She sets about rebuilding her railroad at the end of the novel. Dagny is not subservient or docile. My reaction to John Galt would be a bit different. I'd be feeling around his head for the battery case.
I didn't say one should adopt fictional role-models. I said: Dagny Taggart is one of the best role-models for women that you'll find in modern literature
Ahh that is why Galt is such a stud he is battery operated...however, I think you have to search a little lower for the battery package.
I will be commenting as I go through it. So far so good. If there is a typo, do you wish to know about it? For example,
in Par. 1, "...it [is?] that detail that inspired the two to venture out in search of the unknown."
That struck me by the third paragraph and I also liked the Al-Shon which made me more aware of the disparate language sets. Not knowing them the way you do, but it was subconsciously dissonant.
In Dune,et. al., which I love, the language had a cultural integrity while sounding whole. Is that what you were alluding to?
IPA stands for ?.
And I will always look at a linguistics or language website.
I am going to, possibly for the last time, treat you with respect.
You do not have the right to make your repeated actions in posting the C4L numbers here to the intelligent individuals who have repeatedly and specifically asked you to stop.
I am a member of the damn C4L organization because I would walk a ways on a specific path with even some of the imbeciles in C4L.
However, assuming that I am on the same C4L team that you are on, you are alienating anyone here by the infantile posts.
What pushed me over the edge was your statement that you are that obsessed that you look for ways to irritate the piss out of everyone!
Therefore, you are damaging any potential for anyone here to even look at some of the excellent points being raised in that campaign.
Stop it. Start a thread for just that issue and let the intelligent and perceptive people that last here make up their own minds, in case you have not noticed, their own minds are of the highest value* to each of them as individuals.
(*Simultaneous translation for xray - an objective value to me)
Finally, do not place yourself as an equal to the founders.
"Yes I am obsessed because our founders were obsessed."
I will not even go into how effete, banal and illogical that statement is.
I understand, however, where is your sense of exploration? As I stumble, I learn a lot. I am reading the Dalai Lama book that Rich recommended and early on he talks of how he learned about "technology" and "science" by taking apart an old car that had been hand carried over the Himalayas by a British ambassador(?).
He even took it for a spin and had an accident [I guess xray would call it a subjective accident, ontologically speaking]. He then realized that he was going to be punished and he glazed the headlamp glass that had been [subjectively] broken and frosted it with either sugar or honey and no one was ever the wiser.