Harry Binswanger on the spanking fetish

[9thdoctor]

There’s a truly dyed-in-the-wool Randroid haunting a discussion forum for S&M enthusiasts. Apparently he’s been corresponding with Harry Binswanger for insights. This has the makings of a drinking game, every time he works in a plug for Ayn Rand, take a shot. Here’s a good comment from the thread:

Just a gentle reminder that galt is totally ideological on this (and many other subjects). He believes what he believes, not from logic or evidence, but because he believes that his worldview requires him to believe it, and his worldview is more important to him than logic or evidence. He is, essentially, a Fundamentalist Objectivist, which should be a contradiction, but obviously is not. So it's no use confronting him with arguments or evidence.

Enjoy.

http://www.worldspankingforum.com/forums/general-discussion/9884-cause-spanking-fetish.html

[Rich Engle]

There's a truly dyed-in-the-wool Randroid haunting a discussion forum for S&M enthusiasts. Apparently he's been corresponding with Harry Binswanger for insights. This has the makings of a drinking game, every time he works in a plug for Ayn Rand, take a shot. Here's a good comment from the thread:

Just a gentle reminder that galt is totally ideological on this (and many other subjects). He believes what he believes, not from logic or evidence, but because he believes that his worldview requires him to believe it, and his worldview is more important to him than logic or evidence. He is, essentially, a Fundamentalist Objectivist, which should be a contradiction, but obviously is not. So it's no use confronting him with arguments or evidence.

Enjoy.

http://www.worldspan...ing-fetish.html

You'd think that this would be a no-brainer for someone like me, but I have to admit: I really have no idea where to get started on this one. One should avoid tampering with perfection. It does make you wonder if there are any Ortho-O's lurking or posting on that site. Idea: start scouring for user names like "Lenny Leather" or " Mistress Sonya." Hmmm.

I bet Harry is enjoying this--a whole new group benefits from his insight!

And hey, for that matter: what the hell were you doing over there? Ah, right, never mind-- "research," yes? It's OK, dude: we all have our things. ;)

rde

whack, whack.

Edited November 15, 2010 by Rich Engle

[9thdoctor]

It does make you wonder if there are any Ortho-O's lurking or posting on that site.

Apparently there are other Rand fans there, and you can watch them beat up on him. The way he keeps referring to Objectivism and posting links must be such a turn off to people, whether they’re familiar with Rand or not. He may as well talk about Jesus.

Idea: start scouring for user names like "Lenny Leather" or " Mistress Sonya." Hmmm.

He inhabits Betsy’s site, so you won’t find Comrade Sonia conversing with him. He puts his name, picture, and personal facts out there, no holding back.

And hey, for that matter: what the hell were you doing over there? Ah, right, never mind-- "research," yes?

If I said someone mockingly referred me to it because of the Rand references (the truth), or that I was doing some kind of “research”, people would just cackle, so believe what you like. Gotta admit that some of the pictures…whew! But not safe for work, folks.

[Jonathan David Leavitt]

It does make you wonder if there are any Ortho-O's lurking or posting on that site.

Apparently there are other Rand fans there, and you can watch them beat up on him. The way he keeps referring to Objectivism and posting links must be such a turn off to people, whether they’re familiar with Rand or not. He may as well talk about Jesus.

Idea: start scouring for user names like "Lenny Leather" or " Mistress Sonya." Hmmm.

He inhabits Betsy’s site, so you won’t find Comrade Sonia conversing with him. He puts his name, picture, and personal facts out there, no holding back.

And hey, for that matter: what the hell were you doing over there? Ah, right, never mind-- "research," yes?

If I said someone mockingly referred me to it because of the Rand references (the truth), or that I was doing some kind of “research”, people would just cackle, so believe what you like. Gotta admit that some of the pictures…whew! But not safe for work, folks.

Hmmm. It seems to me that there is spanking, and then there is "spanking by engraved invitation." I think the latter is what the thread-starter is talking about. Perhaps the ortho-O fellow (or gal) is seeking such an engraved invitation.

[Reidy]

The guy might be on to something. Rand entwines sex and pain intimately in her fiction. This leads to the kind of test that delights empirical social scientists. Branden and others have have been saying for decades that this imagery is just a matter of literary emphasis and she didn't really mean it. That predicts in turn that trolling for converts on an SM list will show a low success rate. On the other hand, if it brings them in under the tent in droves, we'll have reason to think that Rand's defenders were wrong.

[9thdoctor]

Look at this post, this guy’s is expressing intelligent, well informed opinions on tabula rasa and AR on an S&M site. And he’s kicking Randroid ass, so it’s a double play. Unbelievable. He says his name is Michael...nah, couldn't be.

[Selene]

Good grief!

BDSM and D/s has been present since the beginning of time. It is one of the fastest growing communities in this country.

Hell, Paddles in NY City is owned by an expert in "spanking." He gives classes on the arte and techne of spanking. Moreover, the endorphin rush from spanking combined with the submission role play and the total power exchange [TPE] is exceptionally erotic.

To those of you who have read the Heller book, I direct you to the last picture plate of Ayn with the wording below:

A recently discovered 1961 portrait by Frank. "Her eyes might say, 'Come to bed and dominate me,'" wrote Nathaniel Brandon when he saw the portrait in 2007. "But of course, if you obey her, who is the master of whom?" Speaking of Frank, another acquaintance said, "So he knew her after all."

One aspect of the followers of Objectivism that always frustrated me was that most could not accept her as the complex human woman that she was; unique in her genius, as well as her sexual passion and the path it took.

Adam

[kiaer.ts]

He gives classes on the arte and techne of spanking. Moreover, the endorphin rush from spanking combined with the submission role play and the total power exchange [TPE] is exceptionally erotic.

Um, that's the ars of spanking.

Edited November 16, 2010 by Ted Keer

[Reidy]

Seems to me "ars" and "techne" are different words for the same object, like "chien" and "dog."

[Rich Engle]

Hell, Paddles in NY City is owned by an expert in "spanking." He gives classes on the arte and techne of spanking. Moreover, the endorphin rush from spanking combined with the submission role play and the total power exchange [TPE] is exceptionally erotic.

Sounds like someone has a preferred customer card . . . "After you get six punches, you can redeem it for a free (fill in technology piece of your choice) up to $9.99!"

Yes, the spanking culture has always been around, and seems to have experienced somewhat of a Renaissance in recent times--it really is the meat and potatoes of the fetish world; passe compared to many others. The latex people are pretty bizarre. None of this is really that surprising, what with how modern angst is, and so on. Desensitization requires cranking up the power levels for some.

Last year, before I met my wife, I was dating someone who came to the conclusion that this was what she wanted done to her. Far from ever wanting to be known as someone who denies easily-granted, reasonable requests, I obliged her. A lot. I mean a real lot.

The thing for me with all this stuff always has come out the same, though. I've been a vigorous advocate of boundary-expanding and experimentation for many years, where erotica comes in. Many hours of research. Field research. Some of this has paid off, oh yes! But, most of the time I can't keep a straight face. I understand people get bored, I do, and whatever needs done to alleviate that, I am all about. With me, though, I simply can't get that serious game face on. You know, you've all got your little outfits on, your toolkit is open on the nightstand, and so on--Serious Business Is At Hand. And I just lose it, I start cracking up. This state can get particularly hyper-amplified post-coitus, when all the afterburners have been after-burned. Coming to this unfortunate moment of Great Clarity, looking around the room at all the stuff, perhaps catching a glimpse of the whole scene in a mirror . . .I'm like "what the $#^%. . .?" No shame, nothing like that--more like when you are just coming to after blacking out at a Goth Halloween party, or something--like the scene in "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" where Thompson comes to in the destroyed hotel room and he has a lizard tail strapped on--"What has gone on here?" So, my path has circled back to a more au naturale way of it. Usually. It's the same thing with porn--I pretty much burned myself out on it a long time ago, and am down to extremely rare visits, never unaccompanied. If you aren't watching porns alone, there is really no reason why they should be any longer than ten or fifteen minutes, tops, as far as I am concerned, because you never are going to stand for waiting through the rest. Keep the plot lines semi-lucid, but minimal--cut to the chase, man!

But to all you enthusiasts out there, whatever you are going at, Rock On and Blessed Be and whack whack.

rde

Edited November 16, 2010 by Rich Engle

[Judith]

But, most of the time I can't keep a straight face. I understand people get bored, I do, and whatever needs done to alleviate that, I am all about. With me, though, I simply can't get that serious game face on. You know, you've all got your little outfits on, your toolkit is open on the nightstand, and so on--Serious Business Is At Hand. And I just lose it, I start cracking up. This state can get particularly hyper-amplified post-coitus, when all the afterburners have been after-burned. Coming to this unfortunate moment of Great Clarity, looking around the room at all the stuff, perhaps catching a glimpse of the whole scene in a mirror . . .I'm like "what the $#^%. . .?" No shame, nothing like that--more like when you are just coming to after blacking out at a Goth Halloween party, or something--like the scene in "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" where Thompson comes to in the destroyed hotel room and he has a lizard tail strapped on--"What has gone on here?" So, my path has circled back to a more au naturale way of it.

What a great image!

I have never been able to read or look at porn without laughing hysterically. I'm firmly convinced that, to indulge in it, one absolutely has to put one's self in a mental state of fog. If you manage to come out of that fog and look at it with any sort of clarity at all, it's absolutely hilarious. And that clarity would, of course, destroy its intended purpose.

Judith