1. Bias in the Liberal Press?? News Flash: Jeff, Based on his Allegedly Vast Experience Says No Way! Can't Possibly Be!!
> If you knew those people and asked them their thinking, they'd tell you the NYT has no editorial bias
So what? Do you believe everything you're told?
> If you had ever worked with the kind of people I'm talking about, the people who work on large daily newspapers...I worked for two of them.
I don't know why you are not getting a reasonably simple point. Here it is again:
Working for newspapers A and B which were not biased does not enable you to say that newspaper C is not biased or that all 'large, daily' newspapers are unbiased. Working with certain types of people that newspaper A finds congenial does not mean you can talk about -all- the people who work for different newspapers. I worked with "computer people" and managers at Hewlett-Packard. I wouldn't be naive enough to infer from that what "computer people" and managers were like in the corporate culture of IBM in every respect. If you were on the staff of better or less biased newspapers, that would not enable you to infer what the corporate culture was like at another newspaper, any more than working at one company enables you to know the rules, the pressures, the approaches at another. And no, having worked at two newspapers, doing what and for how long?, does -not- make you an expert on the bias or lack of it everywhere.
Almost every Objectivist or libertarian knows the New York Times is biased. Amazing to find someone who is so naive as not to know this. Unbelievable! (I even gave you some illustrative concrete examples to jog your memory, which you ignored: Never let concrete cases stand in the way, I guess.)
2. Don't Give Me No Stinkin' Rules
> The Elements of Style is..absurdly overrated...
> it proceeds on the assumption that there is only one legitimate or effective way to write and that way is the way E.B. White wrote.
No it doesn't. Have you actually understood the book?
More importantly, I wasn't talking about optional personal style. I was giving you basic advice from a reader: lose the verboseness and (unnecessary) slanting; let your argument stand on its own merits.
> If you don't like the way I write, Phil, I encourage you to read somebody else.
Only a man with hubris thinks his writing is perfect and can't possibly benefit from any criticism; the wise man learns even from his adversaries.
> looking in the mirror, preening, and patting myself on the back in smug self-satisfaction because my early decision to read Ayn Rand has left me an expert on everything and I've never had any need to acquire any further knowledge.
This may not be in the Elements of Style but it could be:
--Don't dull the force and clarity of your arguments with bluster and insult.
--Don't exaggerate because you are eager to make a put-down.
We're done here.-->
As much as is possible, I'm pretty much going to ignore the insulting asshole after that last looking in the mirror comment.
Edited by Philip Coates, 31 May 2010 - 09:57 PM.