[Christopher]

How to tell if you are an OL addict:

10. You check the OL forums at least once every waking hour
9. You frequently spend more than 20 minutes writing a single post
8. You stay up late at night thinking about posts you've read and/or written
7. You wake up early in the morning and the first thing you want to do is check the website
6. You know many of the posters by first name
5. You know the current membership of www.campaignforliberty.com
4. You can readily quote previous threads
3. You go to the webpage through a favorite link or by typing in the first 3 letters into your browser bar
2. You would rather be online reading threads than spending time with your significant other
1. The highlight of your day is visiting OL

[Ted Keer]

Christopher, on May 31 2009, 10:09 PM, said:

How to tell if you are an OL addict:

5. You know the current membership of www.campaignforliberty.com

lol OL!

[galtgulch]

Christopher, on May 31 2009, 08:09 PM, said:

How to tell if you are an OL addict:

10. You check the OL forums at least once every waking hour
9. You frequently spend more than 20 minutes writing a single post
8. You stay up late at night thinking about posts you've read and/or written
7. You wake up early in the morning and the first thing you want to do is check the website
6. You know many of the posters by first name
5. You know the current membership of www.campaignforliberty.com
4. You can readily quote previous threads
3. You go to the webpage through a favorite link or by typing in the first 3 letters into your browser bar
2. You would rather be online reading threads than spending time with your significant other
1. The highlight of your day is visiting OL

Christopher,

Thanks for the mention in number 5. I just checked and it is now 31 May 10:30PM 155,230; 1 Jun 6AM 155,261

gulch

This post has been edited by galtgulch: 01 June 2009 - 04:33 AM

[Selene]

I personally think that # 5 clearly should be #1

very clever Chris.

[Chris Grieb]

Speaking for myself I have found Gulch and Campaign for Liberty a very good cure for OL Addiction.

[BaalChatzaf]

galtgulch, on May 31 2009, 10:26 PM, said:

Christopher,

Thanks for the mention in number 5. I just checked and it is now 31 May 10:30PM 155,230; 1 Jun 6AM 155,261

gulch

Delenda Cartago Est!

Ba'al Chatzaf

[galtgulch]

Chris Grieb, on Jun 1 2009, 04:50 AM, said:

Speaking for myself I have found Gulch and Campaign for Liberty a very good cure for OL Addiction.

Chris,

Thats why you are not here to comment with your disrespectful attempt at derision.

www.campaignforliberty.com 1 Jun 9AM 155,272 all of whom will be fighting to enlighten the populace so that they and even those who do not appreciate their endeavor will for once in their lives live in a free, noninterventionist society with sound money on a precious metal standard and redeemable paper currency.

Thank you for the opportunity to serve you. And in case you missed it the first time:

www.campaignforliberty.com 1 Jun 9AM 155,272, 1PM 155,294, 6PM 155,435 as the pro freedom militia rallies to the cause

gulch

This post has been edited by galtgulch: 01 June 2009 - 04:16 PM

[Chris Grieb]

galtgulch, on Jun 1 2009, 01:45 PM, said:

Chris Grieb, on Jun 1 2009, 04:50 AM, said:

Speaking for myself I have found Gulch and Campaign for Liberty a very good cure for OL Addiction.

Chris,

Thats why you are not here to comment with your disrespectful attempt at derision.

www.campaignforliberty.com 1 Jun 9AM 155,272 all of whom will be fighting to enlighten the populace so that they and even those who do not appreciate their endeavor will for once in their lives live in a free, noninterventionist society with sound money on a precious metal standard and redeemable paper currency.

Thank you for the opportunity to serve you. And in case you missed it the first time:

www.campaignforliberty.com 1 Jun 9AM 155,272, 1PM 155,294 as the pro freedom militia rallies to the cause

gulch

gulch; Just to give you a hard time I'll stay around. As I have said you are not the only person concerned with a free society.

[Selene]

Yes Chris,

but

shouldn't Ron Paul be putting in Articles of Impeachment against O'Biwan's national socialization action today?

Just asking...

Adam

[galtgulch]

www.campaignforliberty.com 1 Jun 9AM 155,272, 1PM 155,294; 2 Jun 9PM 155,862 as the pro freedom militia rallies to the cause

"gulch; Just to give you a hard time I'll stay around. As I have said you are not the only person concerned with a free society."

Chris,

You have been here much longer than I have. I am sure you have better reasons to be here than to just give me a "hard time."

I am troubled by any "disturbance in the force." Generally speaking I thought we are all on the same side in this struggle so I see no point to invective. It is one thing to disagree. My first encounter with an Objectivist included his making the point that "there are no contradictions in the universe." If we disagree about some issue one or both of us must be mistaken. Neither is necessarily evil for holding an opinion which might be in error. These things are supposed to be resolvable using reason and rational evidence.

I was once hopeful and excited about the Objectivist movement which has progresses but hasn't grown as much in the last half century as it ought to have. There is no one to blame. We all did what we chose to do and many had other priorities such as raising a family and pursuing careers which did not involve spreading the word. So be it.

So despite the fact that the antidote for many of the major ills of society have been known to a minority of the populace in the form of Objectivist philosophy and Austrian free market economics, still the prevailing philosophy is the Judeo Christian theology and its manifestation in politics and social policy.

The Marxist socialist mystic altruist collectivist communists in the persons of Obama and Hillary Clinton and assorted Democrats in both the House and the Senate as well as the State Governorships and legislature are in power and it has become acceptable and business as usual to ignore the limits on the government the Founders intended by enumerating the powers granted to the Congress. The Republicans have abandoned any moral justification or commitment to defend Capitalism with few exceptions.

So I know many of you find fault with Ron Paul and his movement the Campaign For Liberty. However there needs to be a sign of hope for young people growing up in the midst of this time with collectivism on the rise and individualism in disrepute. Calls for altruistic self sacrifice are heard emanating from Obama predictably given his mindset.

I had occasion to speak to a young man today who turned out to be a college student at a local college. I had told him about the Campaign For Liberty and how its founder is a congressman who would vote "No!" if he thought the power being sought by the Congress was not among those powers enumerated in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution and did so over 300 times in his ten terms in the Congress. As is true of so many of Ron Paul supporters and of those who hear about him from me and others within the movement, that performance makes him stand apart from the usual behavior of politicians and characterizes him as a man of courage and integrity who is loyal to certain principles.

When I mentioned to him that the movement started with groups of supporters on 40 campuses and now is on over 125 campuses he said he had not heard of it in his college which is a major one in Worcester MA. He appeared to be enthused and I told him that if he could find two other students there who shared his enthusiasm for this movement they could start an affiliate in the Young Americans for Liberty www.YALiberty.org which is a sister organization of the Campaign For Liberty www.campaignforliberty.com.

So I passed the torch and a spark now exists which might lead to another college having an ongoing support group for the YAL and the C4L. This could lead to its spread to surrounding colleges and to growth of the movement within the minds of many students who have their lives ahead of them.

As I have said many times. Join the movement now or join it later or don't ever join it. Be part of the movement which is growing and could grow exponentially in the next few months or years. If it does spread as a movement which encourages its adherents to read and learn about the free market by reading the works of Ludwig von Mises, Hayek, Bastiat, Hazlitt, Ayn Rand, George Reisman, Ron Paul, Hornberger, Sheldon Richman, and so many others, this could lay the foundation for the kind of social change we all want to witness.

Despite our disagreements on this, that or the other issue. I don't mind your shots at me. Keeps me on my toes.

www.campaignforliberty.com 1 Jun 7PM 155,469, 2 Jun 5AM 155,658, 5PM 155,809, 9PM 155,862

gulch

This post has been edited by galtgulch: 02 June 2009 - 07:36 PM

[Christopher]

Anybody know of a 12-step OLA Anonymous program? How would we ever fit in the higher power and letting go parts?!

[Selene]

http://www.rational....index.php?id=33

Michael posted a fine post on rational 12 steps

[Rich Engle]

Well, the first thing you have to do is admit your powerlessness under OL.

Near the end, you'll have to go around and apologize to all the other forums you wrote on.

Ultimately, it is a sickness of the soul.

"Just when I thought I was out, they pulled me back in again..."

rde
Always Here To Help

This post has been edited by Rich Engle: 02 June 2009 - 02:25 PM

[Chris Grieb]

Like Michael Coroleone you never really leave.

[Selene]

Becoming aware and making amends for all the epistemological pain that you have caused your fellow objectivisits will help you move forward with no pain, fear or guilt ....