[BaalChatzaf]

Here is a blurb on the wars against the Barbary pirates and cutthroats.

http://en.wikipedia....rst_Barbary_War

The representative of the Barbary hooligans presented the war against western naval vessels as justified by Islam! Nothing has changed in 250 years. Muslims were a pestilence then as they are now.

We have come down a long way since the "shores of Tripoli".

If I held my breath for Lord Obama to send in our fighting ships and put an end to the Somali pirates, I feat that I would turn blue and faint.

I sent an e-mail to His Excellency this morning. It was written as follows:


"Hey Schmuck! How about doing something about the Soamili Pirates? We have come a long way down since the Shores of Tripoli. Why aren't U.S. Naval vessels blowing these cutthroats to kingdom come? I am thoroughly ashamed of being an American and it it is YOU I am blaming.

An irate citizen.

Bob Kolker"

Ba'al Chatzaf

This post has been edited by BaalChatzaf: 10 April 2009 - 07:41 AM

[Bill P]

BaalChatzaf, on Apr 10 2009, 09:40 PM, said:

Here is a blurb on the wars against the Barbary pirates and cutthroats.

http://en.wikipedia....rst_Barbary_War

The representative of the Barbary hooligans presented the war against western naval vessels as justified by Islam! Nothing has changed in 250 years. Muslims were a pestilence then as they are now.

We have come down a long way since the "shores of Tripoli".

If I held my breath for Lord Obama to send in our fighting ships and put an end to the Somali pirates, I feat that I would turn blue and faint.

I sent an e-mail to His Excellency this morning. It was written as follows:


"Hey Schmuck! How about doing something about the Soamili Pirates? We have come a long way down since the Shores of Tripoli. Why aren't U.S. Naval vessels blowing these cutthroats to kingdom come? I am thoroughly ashamed of being an American and it it is YOU I am blaming.

An irate citizen.

Bob Kolker"

Ba'al Chatzaf

I will await your report of His Excellency's response. Though I would prefer that Obama first respond to the pirates by putting an end to the Somali Pirates and the ports which give them refuge and aid.

Bill P

Bill P

[Selene]

Remember that the "leatherneck" label came from that war, oops, sorry O'Biwan the MAGNIFICENT, the "Overseas Contingency Operations". Or did it?

I was looking about the etymology of leatherneck because some taking head had mentioned that it was from the Marine/sailor whose specialty was close combat boarding ships by swinging across on ropes or planks as the grappling hooks pulled the ships within close quarters. Additionally, Marine snipers on rigging or on deck were "depressing" moment of the hostiles on the other deck.

However, I was surprised to learn that there is a dispute as to when, where and how "leatherneck" came to be a nickname for a Marine.

http://www.voiceofarizona.com/The_Leathern...31-36-26336.htm

Semper Fi

Adam

[Selene]

Folks:

OK. So the ransom is $2 million dollars. Either pay get the our American citizen back.

I would love to here some rescue scenarios from your good minds. I had an excellent American Presidency instructor. I found that the better professor's, in my opinion, with exceptions of course, taught at night because 1) they had a real job during the day; 2) were retired from a real job; or 3) they just enjoyed teaching adults who were going to school for a reason.

Our take home final exam was a specific scenario presented to the President and you are one of his key advisers make a detailed recommendation. You had 24 hrs to return a detailed proposal and you were to present it that same night. Great teacher. I bought into the take home final exam. I did the same with my students except that I had to make up individual exams for each student because they chose their own term long debate topic.

What do we know about the adversary. I was surprised to discover in a conversation with my cousin less than 35 minutes ago that this is the "lifeboat" they are in:

http://www.survivals...prod_7keys.html

Hence my three per head Seal sniper scenario went bye bye. Additionally, keep in mind that we might have technology that we are not willing to disclose at this time for one American Merchant Marine.

I am all ears.

Adam

[BaalChatzaf]

I say we go to a real war position with respect to the pirates. The word goes out: Any Somali boat, even a row boat and certainly a zodiac found more than a mile offshore will be blown to bits without any further warning. When we blow up their boats (and hopefully them in the boats) the piracy will stop.

It is about time we showed the third world scum what we really think of them. They make for wonderful target practice.


Ba'al Chatzaf

[Bill P]

BaalChatzaf, on Apr 11 2009, 09:02 AM, said:

I say we go to a real war position with respect to the pirates. The word goes out: Any Somali boat, even a row boat and certainly a zodiac found more than a mile offshore will be blown to bits without any further warning. When we blow up their boats (and hopefully them in the boats) the piracy will stop.

It is about time we showed the third world scum what we really think of them. They make for wonderful target practice.


Ba'al Chatzaf

Bob -

The time has come to do this. But I would delete your last two sentences.

Bill P

[BaalChatzaf]

Bill P, on Apr 10 2009, 09:09 PM, said:

Bob -

The time has come to do this. But I would delete your last two sentences.

Bill P

The Romans were not bashful about calling barbarians, barbarians. Why should I be embarrassed? Our greatest failure was not becoming the New Rome. We had a chance after WW2 and we blew it. We could have imposed the Pax Americana on the world. Think of it. Two hundred years of order and commerce.

And what do we have now? Apology and retreat.

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Selene]

Ba'al:

I am in 100% agreement and have argued that since I was about 12 or so. Moreover, we are accused of it anyway, we might as well have done it.

Adam

[Brant Gaede]

Obama is a pirate. He is also a Muslim and probably a citizen of Indonesia born in Kenya.

--Brant

[Bill P]

BaalChatzaf, on Apr 11 2009, 10:41 AM, said:

Bill P, on Apr 10 2009, 09:09 PM, said:

Bob -

The time has come to do this. But I would delete your last two sentences.

Bill P

The Romans were not bashful about calling barbarians, barbarians. Why should I be embarrassed? Our greatest failure was not becoming the New Rome. We had a chance after WW2 and we blew it. We could have imposed the Pax Americana on the world. Think of it. Two hundred years of order and commerce.

And what do we have now? Apology and retreat.

Ba'al Chatzaf

Bob -

Call them barbarians - - - I'm with you on that, and wouldn't be embarrassed. Call the pirates criminals, savages - - - go for it. I'm with you. But "third world scum" sounds a bit much like tagging someone because of something which they didn't choose. Tag them based on behavior. (And "barbarian" has become a descriptor of behavior over the years, as you know...)

Bill P

[Bill P]

Brant Gaede, on Apr 11 2009, 12:00 PM, said:

Obama is a pirate. He is also a Muslim and probably a citizen of Indonesia born in Kenya.

--Brant

Brant - - -

Pirate - - - I certainly agree - he has been responsible for one of the greatest looting and pillaging events in history, over the last two months. And every indication is that he plans to continue.

Muslim - - - I don't know how you document that. I can think of many accusations which, when hurled at Obama, stick. But do you really think "Muslim" is a documentable assertion? A Muslim who attended, as some sort of undercover agent, a nominally "Christian" church for about 20 years (that of Rve. Wright)?

Citizen of Indonesia born in Kenya - - - how would you document that one? I haven't seen any data of substance on this, and I am quite familiar with the details of Corsi's rather scurrilous book "Obamanation."

Bill P

[Chris Grieb]

If he was born in Hawaii he was too young to renounce his American citizenship. I asked this question before does anyone have any evidence that his mother was ever in Kenya?

[Selene]

Folks:

Nothing that I have seen that would pass even the first muster of its probative value as "evidence".

My understanding is that his grades from the various institutions of "higher" learning that he attended have never been released. I also find it very hard to believe that someone at one of those institutions hasn't been paid or threatened to leak those transcripts to the public.

We still have not seen the alleged "tape" of his speech that he delivered when he attended the openly anti-Semitic farewell to that Muslim professor that Bernadette Dorn attended that is in the hands of the Los Angeles Times.

I would also like to see his application to travel to Pakistan in his early 20's or 30's.

However, I have not seen anything that I could work with yet.

Adam

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[BaalChatzaf]

Selene, on Apr 11 2009, 06:22 AM, said:

I would also like to see his application to travel to Pakistan in his early 20's or 30's.

However, I have not seen anything that I could work with yet.

Adam

The Meccahn Candidate?

Ba'al Chatzaf

This post has been edited by BaalChatzaf: 11 April 2009 - 06:46 AM

[galtgulch]

Bill P, on Apr 11 2009, 12:57 AM, said:

Brant Gaede, on Apr 11 2009, 12:00 PM, said:

Obama is a pirate. He is also a Muslim and probably a citizen of Indonesia born in Kenya.

--Brant

Brant - - -

Pirate - - - I certainly agree - he has been responsible for one of the greatest looting and pillaging events in history, over the last two months. And every indication is that he plans to continue.

Muslim - - - I don't know how you document that. I can think of many accusations which, when hurled at Obama, stick. But do you really think "Muslim" is a documentable assertion? A Muslim who attended, as some sort of undercover agent, a nominally "Christian" church for about 20 years (that of Rve. Wright)?

Citizen of Indonesia born in Kenya - - - how would you document that one? I haven't seen any data of substance on this, and I am quite familiar with the details of Corsi's rather scurrilous book "Obamanation."

Bill P

Bill P

One think is for sure, Obama is an enemy of the Constitution and the Democrat Party is the Trojan Horse that enabled him to get into the White House.

I would implicate the Public School system, the Liberal media, the Liberal university professors and the Liberal intelligentsia, not to mention Karl Marx and the churches which have taught the children not to question or doubt, for his rise to power.

Plenty of blame to go around.

www.campaignforliberty.com 11Apr 11AM 142110, 2PM 142180

gulch

This post has been edited by galtgulch: 11 April 2009 - 12:28 PM

[Chris Grieb]

Gulch; Why do you let George W. Bush and Alan Greenspan off the hook?

John McCain didn't help either.

[Brant Gaede]

Just lost another post. Typing away and suddenly--poof!--it was gone. I've been Internet posting--the Internet and it's dial-up beginnings--since 1988 or '89. This is the only platform I've ever used that's this unstable. It's like playing pocket billiards on a sailing ship.

It was a nice rant.

--Brant

[galtgulch]

Chris Grieb, on Apr 11 2009, 09:07 AM, said:

Gulch; Why do you let George W. Bush and Alan Greenspan off the hook?

John McCain didn't help either.

Chris,

Bush is gone and was a strong competitor with Obama for the appellation of being an empty suit. I doubt that Bush read any books in his whole college career and certainly never understood the Constitution. He was both pathetic and incompetent, but it is easy to criticize.

Greenspan had written articles which appeared in Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal but it seems that he never really grasped the meaning of Objectivism. I find it hard to believe that he did more than read Atlas Shrugged or did he just skim it. Probably skipped Galt's speech altogether. Who knows what he thought he was doing all those years. Another empty suit. Or, but I hesitate to call him a traitor because I don't think he ever was on our side in this struggle. He was never one of us. Never, and he still isn't.

How many of us are there? It is encouraging to know that Objectivism exists and that a handful of us know it and grasp its significance in the real world. Many libertarians may not be Objectivists for whatever reason. They may have come to their advocacy of individual freedom from other places ideologically. Many are still religious but are profreedom.

I just came from a meeting of the Mass Liberty Preservation Association. They decided to start their meeting with a pledge of allegiance.

Now you have to understand that I started public school in Brooklyn NY in 1944 and said the pledge of allegiance in assembly every week for years until Eisenhower added a couple of words to it. So I was saying "one nation, indivisible" while everyone else was saying, "one nation, under God."

Individual freedom lovers all, but I was alone.

At times like that I feel a kinship with Kira after she was shot, knowing what was possible in the world.

Next meeting I will say "Indivisible" again, but I will say it louder!

Fight on!

www.campaignforliberty.com

gulch

[Bill P]

galtgulch, on Apr 11 2009, 10:59 PM, said:

Bill P, on Apr 11 2009, 12:57 AM, said:

Brant Gaede, on Apr 11 2009, 12:00 PM, said:

Obama is a pirate. He is also a Muslim and probably a citizen of Indonesia born in Kenya.

--Brant

Brant - - -

Pirate - - - I certainly agree - he has been responsible for one of the greatest looting and pillaging events in history, over the last two months. And every indication is that he plans to continue.

Muslim - - - I don't know how you document that. I can think of many accusations which, when hurled at Obama, stick. But do you really think "Muslim" is a documentable assertion? A Muslim who attended, as some sort of undercover agent, a nominally "Christian" church for about 20 years (that of Rve. Wright)?

Citizen of Indonesia born in Kenya - - - how would you document that one? I haven't seen any data of substance on this, and I am quite familiar with the details of Corsi's rather scurrilous book "Obamanation."

Bill P

Bill P

One think is for sure, Obama is an enemy of the Constitution and the Democrat Party is the Trojan Horse that enabled him to get into the White House.

I would implicate the Public School system, the Liberal media, the Liberal university professors and the Liberal intelligentsia, not to mention Karl Marx and the churches which have taught the children not to question or doubt, for his rise to power.

Plenty of blame to go around.

www.campaignforliberty.com 11Apr 11AM 142110, 2PM 142180

gulch

If you're looking at fault - don't forget the Republicans who share a lot of the blame.

Now, the subject of the email to which you were responding had to do with not making unsubstantiated allegations, so we don't forget.

Bill P

[Bill P]

Brant Gaede, on Apr 12 2009, 01:02 AM, said:

Just lost another post. Typing away and suddenly--poof!--it was gone. I've been Internet posting--the Internet and it's dial-up beginnings--since 1988 or '89. This is the only platform I've ever used that's this unstable. It's like playing pocket billiards on a sailing ship.

It was a nice rant.

--Brant

Brant -

I've only lost a couple of posts in such a fashion in my entire time on OL. If I can ask . . . can you describe the sequence of events when it happened? That is, exactly what happened? Did your internet connection go down at the same time you lost your post? What did the screen look like after "poof! -- it was gone?"

Bill P