[Selene]

Folks:

This is not a good sign.

http://www.brasschec...m/page/589.html

Adam

[Michael Brown]

I watch this on "Freedom Watch", the on-line show of Judge Napolitano.

These TSA agents seem to think that any question they ask should be answered. Somehow the idea that people don't need to answer their questions unless legally required to hasn't sunk in.

[SherryTX]

This is pretty idiotic that you would be detained just because you have cash on you like that.

However, why didn't he just say why he had the money? It could have ended there.

[Selene]

Sherry:

Essentially because he is a free man and we do not take kindly to being told what to do by folks who have no authority to ask the question without giving the citizen a reason.

While my friend and I were working with some folks on trying to track down certain inconsistencies in the JFK assassination, you know, small things like the laws of physics were not suspended in Dealy Plaza on November 22nd 1963 betwee 12:00 P.M. and 2 P.M. CST, we stopped over at a friend granny's small farm in W. Virginia.

She was a wonderful gnarled salt of the earth type person and she invited us for a drink. She went into the side yard and dug a jug out from the base of a tree and passed it too two young 18 year old imbeciles after taking a health swig.

Three swigs later she was fine and I saw a very fuzzy God lol.

She said to us, "Young men, let this be a lesson ta ya... avoid strong drink, it could cause you to shoot at a revenuer ....and miss!" Ah the clarity of White Lightning.

Adam

[Brant Gaede]

SherryTX, on Apr 3 2009, 05:30 PM, said:

This is pretty idiotic that you would be detained just because you have cash on you like that.

However, why didn't he just say why he had the money? It could have ended there.

Because he's a free man. Doing what you suggest would have ended that with self-imprisonment. He was free to make that choice. Now, if he had a companion with him and they threatened him by threatening her then he might have complied to protect her. But it was just him and them. I'd love to be in a similar situation. I can see them going through my wallet and pulling out the card that says "Special Forces Association." However, people my age tend not to be bothered by punk authority figures in the first place. They bothered the young man because they think they can push a young man around in a display of male dominance. This is assuming they weren't sicced onto him by someone else.

--Brant

[Selene]

Brant:

Yep. Stated 5 by 5.

Adam

[Brant Gaede]

Selene, on Apr 3 2009, 09:07 PM, said:

Brant:

Yep. Stated 5 by 5.

Adam

I wonder how many reading this know what "5 by 5" means?

Or that "Over and out!" is Hollywood nonsense.

--Brant

This post has been edited by Brant Gaede: 03 April 2009 - 10:51 PM

[Bill P]

Selene, on Apr 4 2009, 08:52 AM, said:

Sherry:

(snip)

Adam

They could have at least called him "comrade," don't you think?

Bill P

[Selene]

Brant:

I would defer to you, trust but verify lol.

Had to check the "over and out" because it does not ring true, but I never noticed it.

"Some words with specialized meanings are used in radio communication throughout the English-speaking world, and in international radio communications, where English is the lingua franca.

* Over — I have finished talking and I am listening for your reply. Short for "Over to you."
* Out or Clear — I have finished talking to you and do not expect a reply.
* Roger — Information received.
* Copy — I understand what you just said (after receiving information).
* Wilco — Will Comply (after receiving new directions).
* Say Again - meaning please repeat your last message (Repeat is not used as it is a specific command when calling for indirect fire)
* Securite — Maritime Safety call. Repeated three times. Has priority over routine calls.
* Pan — Maritime Urgency call. Repeated three times. Has priority over safety calls.
* Mayday — Maritime Distress call. Repeated three times and at beginning of every following transmission relating to the current distress situation. Has priority over urgency and safety calls.

"Over and out" is an incorrect combination, since the two statements contradict each other.

"Roger" was the U.S. military designation for the letter R (as in received) from 1927 to 1957.[1]

Thanks,

Adam

P.S. Bill, I have no idea what was snipped nor the comrade comment. Weird.

[Bill P]

Selene, on Apr 4 2009, 01:39 PM, said:

P.S. Bill, I have no idea what was snipped nor the comrade comment. Weird.

LOL - I snipped too much!!! I meant to retain:

Essentially because he is a free man and we do not take kindly to being told what to do by folks who have no authority to ask the question without giving the citizen a reason.

The "comrade" reference is one to a typical way of speaking in the Soviet Union, . . .

Regards,

Bill P

This post has been edited by Bill P: 04 April 2009 - 12:11 AM

[Brant Gaede]

Adam,

"Roger" is my favorite. If I ever have a son--I am 65 since March 28, but no woman in tow--I think now I would name him "Roger." His middle name would be "Petr" in honor of my late friend Petr Beckmann. Roger Petr Gaede. "Peter" is my middle name. The name also of my paternal great-grandfather, born in Russia of German stock, who packed up most of the clan and moved to Kansas in the 1870s to escape military service, which is why these Germans moved to Russia in the early 1800s. They were Mennonites. In Kansas they got caught up in the great religious issue of whether it was okay to cut bread instead of breaking it since breaking it was in the Bible and cutting was not. Anyway, Peter, the paterfamilias, which had more to do with an agricultural situation than anything else--it's in the Bible: he was reflective, I suppose, of God which is/was what all that God-thing was really about: re-enforcing the authority of the patriarch. The Gaedes thus became Seventh Day Adventists. The family story is that great Granddad offered Granddad 10,000 smackers if he would teach my Father German which my Grandfather refused since this was during WWI and rampart anti-German nationalism was extant. We are talking 100gs, at least, in today's cash, Jack. For the life of me, I have no idea at all whether Peter was in favor of cutting bread or not.

In fact, I now have a "Roger" idea.

--Brant
titilator

This post has been edited by Brant Gaede: 04 April 2009 - 01:38 AM

[Selene]

Brant:

Interesting genealogy. Actually, many folks have no clue as to how savage the anti-German rage was in WW I.

Fueled by the Progressive Pig from Princeton, Dachshunds were beaten to death in the streets, sauerkraut was renamed "Liberty Cabbage" [see Liberty Fries, circa 2002 USA].

We even had the Supreme Court case of Meyers v. Nebraska wherein the Court stated that:

"Practically, education of the young is only possible in schools conducted by especially qualified persons who devote themselves
thereto. The calling always has been regarded as useful and honorable, essential, indeed, to the public welfare. Mere knowledge
of the German language cannot reasonably be regarded as harmful. Heretofore it has been commonly looked upon as helpful
and desirable. Plaintiff in error taught this language in school as part of his occupation. His right thus to teach and the right of
parents to engage him so to instruct their children, we think, are within the liberty of the amendment."

Adam

[Michael E. Marotta]

Michael Brown, on Apr 3 2009, 05:52 PM, said:

These TSA agents seem to think that any question they ask should be answered. Somehow the idea that people don't need to answer their questions unless legally required to hasn't sunk in.

Politics always comes down to epistemology. As I listened to the audio, I became increasingly embarrassed for the TSI guys who quickly became progressively stupider as they fell in with and reinforced their collective worldview.

With different security companies at different times, I worked with a philosophy professor, a nuclear scientist, a flight attendant, a minister, a lot of cops, some military guys, some military women, and a bunch of ordinary people. It takes a strong sense of self not to devolve into the regulations when three or more officers come together. Age has a lot to do with it -- that and intelligence... but basically, any group of people can be idiots and these guys certainly were.

It should have been obvious to them that their detainee was yanking their chains good and hard and they were falling for it. But they were so close to the action -- and to each other's psychic space -- that they were blinded by the action. That is something to consider, both for your own good and as a warning. Be aware that when it's you, these guys only look like humans -- a taxonomic fallacy -- when in fact, they are Dobermans on Two Legs -- a pack of creatures all reflex and very little brain.

Mike M.