[BaalChatzaf]

I lived in the state of Colorado when I was on a software contracting job. While there, I visited the Royal Gorge park near Buena Vista, Colorado. At the entrance to the park I found a gaggle (herd?, bunch?) of deer, mostly female and immature deer just standing there. They did not bolt. On the contrary they stood there waiting for handouts of food from the tourists.

Deer are natural foraging animals. They are not predators and they get their food, mostly tender leaves and branches low on trees and some succulent grasses and flowers. That is how they get along in the wild. The foraging instinct of deer tell them to go where the food is. Mother deer teach their young offspring (of both sexes) how to forage. What these Royal Gorge deer learned was how to forage from the tourists. That is bad enough, wild deer living on the kindness of tourists. What is worse is they taught their young how to do the same. As a result this generation of deer have no idea of how to get along in the wild.

The tourists (but not I) out of a misplaced sense of goodness and compassion were accomplices in the destruction of generations of deer. I did not feed these pitiful beasts because I will not be complicit in their undoing. The tourists were killing the deer with kindness and they, no doubt, thought themselves good persons for doing so.

The analogy to the nanny-handout-welfare state is almost too obvious to state.

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Brant Gaede]

Good analogy, but don't worry about the deer. Absent natural predators they over-breed until felled by mass starvation then the population recovers. They are frequently little more than pests in semi-rural places in the Northeast.

--Brant

[Selene]

Ba'al:

Excellent. Well told.

Brant, agreed they are pests when they overpopulate. This happened in the early 60's at my family's country place on the Delaware up near Hancock NY.

As a hunter, we keep the herds in check and healthy along with other predator's. However, the deer got overprotected and the natural predators got pushed out of the valley for various reasons.

As you noted, mass starvation was the result. Anyone who wishes to argue whether it is more cruel to shot a deer and kill it quickly vs. coming across a deer that has starved to death would have a front row seat in hell if I designed hell.

The hemlocks were eaten to the snow line.

Adam

P.S. One of my favorite words.

gag·gle Listen to the pronunciation of gaggle
Pronunciation:
\ˈga-gəl\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English gagyll, from gagelen to cackle
Date:
15th century

1: flock ; especially : a flock of geese when not in flight — compare skein2: a group, aggregation, or cluster lacking organization <a gaggle of reporters and photographers>3: an indefinite number <participated in a gaggle of petty crimes>

[galtgulch]

Selene, on Mar 8 2009, 10:39 AM, said:

Ba'al:

Excellent. Well told.

Brant, agreed they are pests when they overpopulate. This happened in the early 60's at my family's country place on the Delaware up near Hancock NY.

As a hunter, we keep the herds in check and healthy along with other predator's. However, the deer got overprotected and the natural predators got pushed out of the valley for various reasons.

As you noted, mass starvation was the result. Anyone who wishes to argue whether it is more cruel to shot a deer and kill it quickly vs. coming across a deer that has starved to death would have a front row seat in hell if I designed hell.

The hemlocks were eaten to the snow line.

Adam

P.S. One of my favorite words.

gag·gle Listen to the pronunciation of gaggle
Pronunciation:
\ˈga-gəl\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English gagyll, from gagelen to cackle
Date:
15th century

1: flock ; especially : a flock of geese when not in flight — compare skein2: a group, aggregation, or cluster lacking organization <a gaggle of reporters and photographers>3: an indefinite number <participated in a gaggle of petty crimes>

members of the Campaign for Liberty 106036 Individualists

OL member who keeps posting the numbers: Pest

gulch

[Brant Gaede]

galtgulch, on Mar 8 2009, 10:09 AM, said:

Selene, on Mar 8 2009, 10:39 AM, said:

Ba'al:

Excellent. Well told.

Brant, agreed they are pests when they overpopulate. This happened in the early 60's at my family's country place on the Delaware up near Hancock NY.

As a hunter, we keep the herds in check and healthy along with other predator's. However, the deer got overprotected and the natural predators got pushed out of the valley for various reasons.

As you noted, mass starvation was the result. Anyone who wishes to argue whether it is more cruel to shot a deer and kill it quickly vs. coming across a deer that has starved to death would have a front row seat in hell if I designed hell.

The hemlocks were eaten to the snow line.

Adam

P.S. One of my favorite words.

gag·gle Listen to the pronunciation of gaggle
Pronunciation:
\ˈga-gəl\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English gagyll, from gagelen to cackle
Date:
15th century

1: flock ; especially : a flock of geese when not in flight — compare skein2: a group, aggregation, or cluster lacking organization <a gaggle of reporters and photographers>3: an indefinite number <participated in a gaggle of petty crimes>

members of the Campaign for Liberty 106036 Individualists

OL member who keeps posting the numbers: Pest

gulch

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--Brant

[galtgulch]

>>>"Once you sign in can you sign out--or can you never leave?

--Brant"<<<


Brant,

It takes some effort to join in the first place. Before anyone joins they have to understand what this Campaign for Liberty is all about. I doubt that anyone would join who was not strongly motivated to do so. Perhaps after the objective is reached.

I am sure that some are more active in advocating and encouraging others to join than others. I do wish everyone who has joined becomes active in promoting this venture. The sooner there are tens of millions of us the better.

As slowly as it is growing it is surely increasing probably moreso in the colleges. I am confident that it will accelerate as time goes on, especially since things are so troubled in our society and destined to get worse given the mistaken policies Obama is instituting.

www.campaignforliberty.com 8Mar 2PM 106059

gulch

This post has been edited by galtgulch: 08 March 2009 - 02:04 PM