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The Passion of James Valliant's Criticism, Part V

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 06:21 PM

The Passion of James Valliant's Criticism, Part V
by Neil Parille

In chapter four of The Passion of Ayn Rand’s Critics, James Valliant takes issue with what he alleges is the financial, intellectual and personal exploitation of Ayn Rand by Nathaniel and Barbara Branden which culminated in the 1968 break. Both Brandens concede that they deceived Rand about Nathaniel’s personal life but deny any financial or intellectual exploitation of her.

As is well known, Rand publicly denounced the Brandens in “To Whom It May Concern” (“TWIMC”). Nathaniel and Barbara Branden, in separate responses, replied to Rand. (Rand then said nothing further on the subject.) This at least gives readers the ability to make a limited “common sense” evaluation of the charges, although it is ultimately difficult to come to firm conclusions without having access to primary source material and interviews. Valliant, who had complete access to the Ayn Rand Archives, is of little help here. He doesn’t supplement his critique of the Brandens’ books with any previously unreleased interviews. He does mention in the endnotes that he has reviewed certain letters and documents in the Archives (such as the business plan Barbara Branden drew up in 1968 for a new lecture service) but doesn’t reproduce them or discuss their contents.

Lies and More Lies

According to Valliant, Rand’s defense in “TWIMC” was accurate whereas the Brandens’ responses were “dishonest . . . relying on direct personal slander.” (PARC, p. 90.) However, Valliant concedes that “Rand was not telling her readers everything.” (PARC, p. 95.)

It is evident from reading “TWIMC” that there was an undisclosed “personal” matter that provided the backdrop for the dispute. For example, Rand says that she was “shocked to discover that he [Branden] was consistently failing to apply to his own personal life. . . the fundamental principles of Objectivism . . . .” She says that Barbara Branden later disclosed that Branden “suddenly confessed that Mr. Branden had been concealing from me certain ugly actions . . . in his private life . . . .” (TWIMC, pp. 3-4.)

Although Rand did not say what these “ugly actions” were, she did reference Branden’s letter of July 1968. She wrote, “Mr. Branden presented me with a written statement which was so irrational and so offensive that I had to break my personal association with him.” (TWIMC, p. 3.) Left unsaid was that this statement was a several page letter which Nathaniel wrote to Rand explaining that their difference in age prevented him from resuming a sexual relationship with her. (JD, p. 375.) Branden reports that Rand was furious when he hand-delivered the letter to her. (JD, pp. 376-77.) Rand spent numerous pages in her diaries denouncing Branden and the letter. (PARC, pp. 311-69.)

Branden’s response to this claim about the letter was the following:

Nathaniel Branden said:

In writing the above, Miss Rand has given me the right to name that which I infinitely would have preferred to leave unnamed, out of respect for her privacy. I am obliged to report what was in that written paper of mine, in the name of justice and of self-defense.

That written statement was an effort, not to terminate my relationship with Miss Rand, but to save it, in some mutually acceptable form.

It was a tortured, awkward, excruciatingly embarrassed attempt to make clear to her why I felt that an age distance between us of twenty-five years constituted an insuperable barrier, for me, to a romantic relationship.

It is tempting to say, as does Valliant, that this portion of the Branden’s response was, if not gratuitous, at least misleading. In my opinion, the most natural implication of what Branden says is that Rand wanted to start a relationship. I don’t think most readers would conclude that Rand and Branden had a relationship which she wanted to restart. However, one must consider the context. At the beginning of the affair, all parties agreed to keep the affair secret. Rand, by mentioning the letter, in effect broke the agreement. By phrasing his response the way he did, Branden was able to keep his word and respond to the substance of “TWIMC.”

An additional matter is the addendum to “TWIMC” signed by four NBI lecturers (Allan Blumenthal, Alan Greenspan, Leonard Peikoff, and Mary Ann Sures) who announced that they were breaking all ties with the Brandens and “condemn[ing]”
them “irrevocably.” Of these four, only Allan Blumenthal knew of the affair. I find it a bit unfair for Rand to ask (or allow) these three people to sign such a statement without telling them know the complete story.

In hindsight it would probably have been better for Rand to write a short statement that she was ending her association with the Brandens for personal and professional reasons. In light of such a personal attack on the Brandens and indirectly referencing the affair, I find the Brandens’ response measured.

The Play’s Not the Thing

Rand begins her critique of Nathaniel Branden’s supposed change in “intellectual attitude” by referring to his production of Barbara Branden’s stage version of The Fountainhead which, according to Rand, “seemed to become his central concern.” Needless to say, I have no way of verifying whether Branden’s involvement with this project took too much of his time, much less whether it was “authority-flaunting, unserious and, at times, undignified.” Valliant presents no evidence that Rand’s allegations are accurate. I am unaware of such a claim being made in the diaries reproduced in PARC, although the play is mentioned a few of times by Rand. (PARC, pp. 306, 308 and 334.)

Rand then mentions two additional “defaults” with respect to Branden’s responsibilities concerning Objectivism: (1) “the growing and lengthening delays in the writing of his articles” for The Objectivist and (2) his failure to rewrite his “Basic Principles of Objectivism” course. These are, to a certain extent, subject to confirmation.

With respect to articles for The Objectivist, Rand says “[w]e also agreed that we would write an equal number of articles and receive an equal salary.” She adds:

Rand said:

If you check over the back issues of this publication, you will observe that in 1962 and 1963 Mr. Branden and I wrote about the same number of articles and that he carried his proper share of the burden of work. But beginning with the year 1964, the number of articles written by me became significantly greater than the number written by him. On many occasions, he was unable to deliver a promised article on time and I had to write one in order to save the magazine from constant delays. This year, I refused to write more than my share; hence the magazine is now four months behind schedule. (I shall now make up for this time lag as fast as possible.) (TWIMC, p. 3.)

Valliant made no effort to determine whether Rand’s claim on this is true. Fred Seddon did. His findings (which I have not attempted to verify) are as follows:

Seddon said:

So let’s check over the back issues. Here is what I found. (A “+” indicates Rand is ahead of Nathaniel Branden's output; a “-“ that she is behind. Here are the results up to the break in May of 1968:

1962 +7
1963 -3
1964 +2
1965 +4
1966 +4
1967 +1
1968 even

Notice she is wrong about 1962 and 1963. They did not write “about the same number of articles.” In 1962 she wrote seven more than Branden, the greatest imbalance of any year, despite her complaint about 1964 on. In 1963 Branden actually wrote more articles than Rand—the only year that happened. Notice also that in all of 1967 and 1968, Rand only wrote one more article than Branden. Hardly enough to justify her fuss, especially considering the huge difference in 1962 of which she does not make mention.

As far as Branden’s alleged failure to update his “Basic Principles” course, I am not in a position to verify this. Valliant appears to believe that Branden is in error:

Valliant said:

Even in the “updated” version which he sold on LP following the break, a substantial portion of the material appears to be (almost verbatim) what can be found in The Virtue of Selfishness and Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal. Branden’s “continuous updates” consisted primarily of added quotations from Rand’s newly available, Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology, which are also contained on these LPs. Otherwise, despite Branden’s claims to the contrary, his lecture material changed very little throughout the Sixties. (PARC, p. 112.)

Valliant sneers at Branden’s contention that he planned a full update by 1969, but this is possible. It is likewise possible that Branden, after breaking with Rand, was not particularly interested in doing a substantial rewrite. I do find plausible Branden’s claim that of greater concern was his book on psychology, which was finished in late 1968 and published in 1969. Branden’s version of events, all things considered, is at least as likely as Rand’s, if not more likely.

Financial Exploitation

Rand accused the Brandens of financial exploitation. With respect to Nathaniel Branden she asserts that he authorized an improper loan from The Objectivist to NBI, and implies that there were additional improprieties. (TWIMC, pp. 4-5.) With respect to Barbara Branden, she implies that Branden proposed a business plan for a reorganized lecture service that was financially so unreasonable that is was little more than an attempt to cash-in on her name. (TWIMC, pp. 6-7.) We shall see that there is no evidence to support these claims.

Valliant supplements Rand’s allegations in an additional way. He alleges that the Brandens’ deception of Rand concerning Nathaniel’s affair with Patrecia was motivated by financial concerns. Had Rand learned the truth, she would have broken with one or both of them, thus cutting off their “meal ticket.” In addition, he asserts that Nathaniel Branden was gradually drifting away from strict adherence to Objectivism and his failing to disclose this to Rand constituted continued exploitation.

The Brandens’ business relationship with Rand was likely beneficial to all parties, but there is no reason to think that their deception of Rand about Nathaniel’s affair with Patrecia was motivated primarily by financial concerns. It is more likely that they feared Rand’s volcanic temper and the shattering of the Objectivist movement if the relationship was disclosed. As even Valliant concedes, Nathaniel Branden’s finances improved dramatically when he moved to California and went into private practice full-time. (PARC, p. 108.) Branden writes in his memoirs that after the break, NBI was liquidated and the amount after debts was $45,000 – which was split among him, Barbara Branden and Wilfred Schwartz. He adds that “[t]his was all that was left of ten years of work. I had no other personal savings.” (MYWAR, p. 354.) Barbara Branden doesn’t discuss her financial situation at the time of the break, but it doesn’t appear to have been strong. In any event, it was Rand’s intention of naming Barbara Branden her heir that prompted Branden to disclose the truth to Rand (which Valliant, bizarrely, attempts to turn into further evidence of her alleged exploitation of Rand). (PAR, pp. 342-43; PARC, p. 119.) People as talented as Nathaniel and Barbara Branden no doubt could have established themselves in stable careers by 1968 had money been their life’s ambition.

This chapter is an additional example of Valliant’s one-sided writing. In his attempt to convince readers that the Brandens were motivated by a desire to cash-in on Rand’s name there is little, if any, mention of the countless hours of uncompensated time that they spent advancing (if not creating) the Objectivist movement. Instead (in keeping with Rand’s 1968 denunciation), their contributions are slighted:

Valliant said:

A couple of years later, a newsletter—to be replaced by a magazine—was founded by Branden and Rand to publish Rand’s speeches and essays and essays, as well as the essays of Rand’s students, including the Brandens’, applying Objectivism to the questions of the day and the Questions of the Ages.

These activities soon became the Brandens’ full-time employment.

Rand's novels were really the only advertisement NBI ever needed. While the lectures at NBI -- including those of Leonard Peikoff and Alan Greenspan -- provided important applications and amplifications of Rand's ideas, it was her novels which recruited the students at NBI, not vice versa . . . . Whatever the quality of the work done at NBI, it was her novels which recruited the students for NBI, not vice versa.

The same must be said of The Objectivist, which gave Branden and other young students of Objectivism a publishing outlet which they needed far more than Rand did at the time. (PARC, pp. 88-89.)

The Brandens were merely students and employees of Rand.

In an interview with Barbara Branden, Rand said the following (as reported by Mrs. Branden):

Barbara Branden said:

As cultural signs, I think the thing that really changed my whole mind is NBL. [Nathaniel Branden Lectures was the original name of Mr. Branden's organization.] It's the whole phenomenon of Nathan's lectures. As you know, when he first started it I wasn't opposed to it, but I can't say that I expected too much. I was watching it, in effect, with enormous concern and sympathy for him, because I thought there was a very good chance of it failing... Since the culture in general seemed totally indifferent to our ideas and to ideas as a whole, I didn't see how one could make a lecture organization grow . . . But with the passage of time . . . I began to see how even the least promising of Nathan's students . . . were not the same as they were before they started on the course, that Nathan had a tremendous influence on them, that they were infinitely better people and more rational, even if they certainly were not Objectivists yet... What I saw is that ideas take, in a manner which I did not know... The whole enormous response to Nathan gave me a preview of what can be done with a culture. And seeing Nathan start on a shoestring, with the whole intellectual atmosphere against him, standing totally alone and establishing an institution, that was an enormously crucial, concrete example of what can be done.

Likewise, one certainly wouldn’t know the substantial role that Nathaniel Branden played in turning Rand’s ideas into the mature philosophy of Objectivism. In For the New Intellectual, Rand thanked Nathaniel Branden for his contribution of the “Attila” and “Witch Doctor” archetypes. In the forward to “Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology” published in The Objectivist in 1966 (which her followers consider her most important writings), she acknowledged the importance of Branden’s article “The Stolen Concept.” One need only consider the seminal essays Branden wrote such as “The Psychology of Pleasure.” In fact, his “Basic Principles of Objectivism” course was the first systematic presentation of Rand’s ideas and was listened to by countless thousands of students throughout the United States. Branden may have been Rand’s “student,” but he was Objectivism’s first teacher.

Barbara Branden devoted more of her time to the business side of the Objectivist movement, but she contributed articles to The Objectivist and presented a lecture series entitled “The Principles of Efficient Thinking” at NBI. Rand’s slight of Branden in “TWIMC” (“I cannot say as much for Barbara Branden” in comparison to Nathaniel’s “waste” of “human endowment”) was entirely unfair given her years of devotion to Objectivism and Rand’s previous praise of her talents and character (which she compared to the heroes of her novels).

Financial Wrongdoing

Perhaps Rand’s most serious charge against Nathaniel Branden is her contention that he financially exploited her. The centerpiece of this claim concerns a loan for $22,500 (or $25,000, depending on whom you believe) that Branden authorized from The Objectivist to NBI.

By way of background, The Objectivist (which was co-owned by Rand and Branden) and NBI (which was owned by Nathaniel Branden) were separate corporations. They shared a common business manager, Wilfred Schwartz. In September 1967, NBI secured a fifteen-year lease at the Empire State Building. The Objectivist was a subtenant, paying $6,000 a year to NBI. NBI’s rent was due yearly (and in advance). From time to time Branden had authorized loans from The Objectivist to NBI. The Objectivist was profitable and the loans had been paid back. This much is agreed upon, or at least not disputed.

In July 1967, Branden authorized a loan from The Objectivist to NBI for $22,500. (Rand claimed that it was $25,000.) In any event, the loan included the $6,000 payment for The Objectivist’s lease, making it in effect a $16,500 (or $19,000) loan. It appears that this loan was greater than previous loans. It was repaid shortly before the break, probably in August 1968. According to Rand, the loan was made without her knowledge, in violation of the articles of incorporation, constituted almost the entire cash reserves of The Objectivist, and was not repaid until she insisted.

Here is Branden’s version of events:

Nathaniel Branden said:

Contrary to Miss Rand's claim, I never told her that I wished to borrow money from The Objectivist for the rent "because NBI did not have quite enough." At the time of the conversation to which Miss Rand refers, I had no reason to doubt that she already had knowledge of the loan, since there was regular communication between Mr. Schwartz and Miss Rand concerning the move to the Empire State Building, since The Objectivist's own Circulation Manager had prepared the check, and since the loan was entered on the books of The Objectivist. My passing reference to the loan was entirely perfunctory; it was intended, in effect, as a reminder, since I knew of Miss Rand's disinterest in business matters. When I mentioned the loan, Miss Rand said nothing to indicate that she was hearing of it for the first time; she uttered some casual expression of assent, said "So long as you pay it back" (or words to that effect), and waved her hand in a characteristic gesture, dismissing the subject.

Miss Rand states that "the original amount of the loan had represented the entire cash reserve of this magazine." The magazine's own financial statements do not support her assertion. The loan was made on July 6, 1967. The audited statement of the magazine, immediately preceding the loan, that of March 31, 1967, shows total assets in excess of $44,000 and cash in the bank in the amount of $33,881; the audited statement of March 31, 1968, shows total assets in excess of $58,000 and cash in the bank in the amount of $17,438, in addition to the $16,500 loan receivable from NBI (for which NBI was paying a higher rate of interest than The Objectivist obtained from its investments elsewhere).

Valliant alleges that this constitutes an admission by Branden that the loan in question constituted “the depletion of most of the cash reserves of The Objectivist . . . .” This is his reasoning:

Valliant said:

He [Branden] does not tell us what The Objectivist had in the bank at the time of the loan, but as of March 31, 1968, the amount was $17,434, he says. The amount of money transferred to NBI, he alleged, had only been $22,500, not the $25,000 Rand had claimed, and, of this only $16,500 was “borrowed.” . . . [but] no matter how Mr. Branden slices it, the loan still required the depletion of most of the cash reserves . . . . (PARC, p. 108.)

I’m no accountant, but I am at a loss to see how Valliant reaches this conclusion. While we don’t know the cash in the bank at the time of the loan, approximately four months prior it was $33,881. Valliant doesn’t mention this amount. Approximately eight months after the loan was made (but before it was paid back) it was $17,438. (Valliant mentions only this later amount, and gets it slightly wrong.) What is the evidence that this loan depleted the cash reserves of The Objectivist? I can only assume that Valliant believes that $17,438 contains funds from the repaid loan ($17,438-$16,500= $938), but the loan wasn’t repaid until months later.

Concerning whether the articles of incorporation required consent of both Rand and Branden for such transactions, I can’t comment since I have not seen the document. Valliant doesn’t say whether the Archives has a copy. Valliant alleges that Branden admits in Judgment Day that at the time of incorporation there was an “oral agreement” that there would be “mutual agreement on all decisions.” (PARC, p. 109.) Actually, Branden says only that there was an oral agreement that The Objectivist would not publish something the other opposed and if there was a falling out The Objectivist would cease publication. (JD, p. 291.)

The September 1968 Business Plan

After it was agreed that NBI would close, Barbara Branden presented Rand with a ten-page business plan for the creation of a new lecture service. The lecture service would take over NBI’s lease and The Objectivist would remain a subtenant. Branden presented this plan to Rand, which she rejected. Rand stated:

Rand said:

Then I considered the idea of endorsing Mrs. Branden’s proposal to run a lecture organization of her own, on a much more modest scale, with the assistance of NBI’s associate lecturers. But after a few inquiries, I concluded that this was impracticable: I discovered that NBI had treated its associate lecturers so unfairly that they were not eager to continue. (For instance, when the yearly grosses of NBI grew larger, the percentages paid to its associate lecturers were cut.)

* * *
On September 2, the plan was submitted to me at a business meeting attended by my attorney, Henry Mark Holzer. The plan did not offer any relevant factual material, but a projection (by an unspecified method) of future profits to be earned by a lecture organization patterned after NBI, with Mrs. Branden giving the “Basic” course. The essence of the plan required that THE OBJECTIVIST remain in the same quarters with Mrs. Branden’s new corporation, under a business arrangement of so questionable a nature that I reject it at once . . . . (TWIMC, pp. 5-6.)

In both her 1968 response and in PAR, Branden takes issue with Rand’s claims. Her response contains numerous points not addressed by Valliant which, if true, undercut Rand’s version of events. Branden claims that Henry Mark Holzer had in fact approved of the business plan. She alleges that the plan was accompanied by forty seven pages of analysis. If true, Rand’s claim that the plan did not contain “any relevant factual material” is likely false.

In any event, Rand’s claim of financial exploitation of the lecturers appears unfounded. Rand asserts that lecturers were treated unfairly, using as an example the fact that percentages paid to NBI lecturer’s declined as NBI’s grosses increased. Why this should be surprising or unfair is beyond me. A decrease in percentage paid to lecturers doesn’t necessarily correspond to a decrease in payments. Here is Branden’s response:

Barbara Branden said:

Miss Rand states that when the yearly grosses of NBI grew larger, the percentages paid to its Associate Lecturers were cut. This is quite true. But she neglects to mention that when the percentages were cut, the minimum rate guaranteed to a lecturer for a course was more than doubled. (And surely the author of Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal knows that the operations of a business preclude transactions which are not considered, by both buyer and seller, to be to their mutual advantage.)

I might add that, a few years ago, while lecturing for NBI during the summer months, Leonard Peikoff asked me if he might tell the head of his philosophy department the sum of money he was earning for his summer's work; he explained that the amount was so much more than a university professor makes, that his department head would be profoundly impressed with the "practicality" of Objectivism. I agreed.

Valliant repeats Rand’s claim that Branden’s proposal was only a “projection” and adds “without the draw of NBI’s ‘star’ lecturer, Nathaniel Branden, which as she says were based on NBI’s past performance, were of little value.” (PARC, p. 120.) Perhaps the report did mention the possibility of an initial fall-off in revenue. (Valliant’s comment about Nathaniel Branden is interesting given his attempt to downplay his contribution to Objectivism in the book.) Rand said that her name was a “gold mine” and it is certainly possible that a revised lecture service could have been equally profitable.

Valliant, who had complete access to the Ayn Rand Archives, was in a position to shed some light on these questions. He mentions that a copy of Branden’s business plan was likely found in the Archives, yet doesn’t reproduce it or discuss its contents. (PARC, p. 404.)

Conclusion

Having now critiqued chapter four in-depth, our conclusion that PARC’s mistakes and distortions are so systematic as to render it seriously flawed as a critique of the Brandens’ works is further strengthened.
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#301 User is offline   Selene 

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 10:20 AM

Gentlemen:

Never underestimate the power and perfidity of human stupidity.

Glad to have been naively away from the movement.

Hell, I would approach the Devil if he would grant me an audience, but I would believe the two P's
would have a significant degree of defensiveness merely by my presence on only this forum.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 04:37 PM

Ah, this has been a long campaign, but goodness will prevail.

Maybe we ought to just leave Objectivist Succubus James Valliant alone for awhile.

Why? Because he can finish his next book. I assume this is still as announced, a debunking of the Old Testament or the New Revised or WTF ever.

This is an excellent excercise in futility. Don't get me wrong, I know the ins and outs of Bible world quite well, and surely you don't see me running about with one.

But that is not the point. If he is, in fact, taking on this project, he's doing something worse than Quixote-ism. It is a pointless exercise to anyone, other than himself.

And that is the worst thing about him, it appears. There are a lot of things you can call that, but in show business we use phrases that even I will not share in polite company. Let's just refer to it as "shameless self-promotion."

Oh, I so hope he is doing that book. For one thing, it will keep a monkey occupied, and that is always good. For two, it will make for a wonderful fiasco when he rolls it out. If I were working on such a project, I would know that there is only one hinge-pin, angle, ballywick...you would have to explode with controversy. This is the "there is no such thing as bad publicity" theory, which is valid but replete with limitations.

One of which, in this case, is that the man is simply an awful writer; he is pedantic and accusatory, and above all, a non-innovator. He is no more than like when you go see a bad impressionist, or tribute band. I have never seen him poise a single truly unique idea. I have never seen him inspire. I have never seen him share wisdom.

So all in all, it would be a good thing if he is sequestered, writing his next opus magnus.

I think it is telling that he, clearly, has a sensitive spot about Nathaniel's "My Years With Ayn Rand," and I think I know why: because that book was incredibly well-written...memoir/novel/memoir, whichever way NB cares to describe it. It is a great summer read, and nothing JV generates will ever be taken to the beach. Well, I mean hopefully...

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Posted 14 June 2009 - 02:42 PM

Look at this crap from bonehead James Valliant:

Valliant said:

I had nothing to do with mentions of PARC at Wikipedia. I have no idea what those designations Neil used mean.


The designations Neil mentioned are:
Pelagius1
IP160

These are the alias names using James Valliant's IP on Wikipedia.

Let me be the first to say it as this is—and has been—my opinion ever since I read PARC:

James Valliant is a bald-face liar.

If anyone believes his lies, they deserve what they get.

Furthermore, he is in excellent company with Objectivist Liar Lindsay Perigo.

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Posted 14 June 2009 - 03:14 PM

Michael,

I gotta agree. Mr. Valliant's latest lies, in their unbounded foolishness and desperation, insult the intelligence of the reader.

Cross-post of my latest on SOLOP.

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Here, as noted by Mr. Scherk, is the online blunder committed by Mr. Valliant yesterday.

It only took him 7 minutes to catch it, but it left a trace.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=296399482

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Pelagius1, are you by any chance the Pelagius who posts (or used to post) on Hatrack? Or on AI Jane? Just wondering. -[[User:Lisa|Lisa]] ([[User talk:Lisa|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

: Sorry you had to wait so long, but, no, I don't think so. It's just a great name, from a certain philosophical point of view.[[Special:Contributions/72.199.110.160|72.199.110.160]] ([[User talk:72.199.110.160|talk]]) 12:04, 14 June, 2009.


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Pelagius1, are you by any chance the Pelagius who posts (or used to post) on Hatrack? Or on AI Jane? Just wondering. -[[User:Lisa|Lisa]] ([[User talk:Lisa|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


Mr. Valliant may prefer to blame it on his meat puppet. Or on his sock puppet.

Whatever.

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#305 User is offline   Michael Stuart Kelly 

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Posted 14 June 2009 - 09:12 PM

Robert,

I see there is more evasive crap from Valliant.

Valliant said:

You, sir, are the only one whom I can really count on to fabricate at the drop of a hat, so ignoring your authority on such matters should not be done lightly. Certainly not as lightly as we routinely dismiss the substance of your claims and the bizarre assumptions of your "questions."

I seriously doubt that even you actually think Dr. Peikoff would sign something I authored as his own, but I hesitate to call you a liar. It is just possible that you are no better than the likes of a UFO conspiracy crackpot who could pass a lie detector test about his various "convictions."

On the other hand, after someone calls me a liar he should not expect any more answers.

But know that your attention has not gone unnoticed, and that the Byzantine efforts that others always seem go through on my behalf are truly flattering to me. I also deeply appreciate that your posts almost invariably yield a rich harvest of fiction, and mirth.

Getting this guy to answer a simple question is like pulling chicken teeth. (They don't exist.)

Valliant yaps and yaps, but says nothing of substance.

The only good thing about the barking of junkyard dogs is that they can only bark in the junkyard.

No one else will have them.

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#306 User is offline   Robert Campbell 

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Posted 14 June 2009 - 10:09 PM

Michael,

Even after all this time, it amazes me how contentless most of Jim Valliant's utterances are.

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Posted 14 June 2009 - 10:22 PM

Oh, yes. I forgot.

Here is another boneheaded assumption by the boneheaded James Valliant I had missed:

Valliant said:

While the debate over PARC has aged with the book, interest in Rand has dramatically increased lately. . . See, many of our friends have worried that the wave of new Rand readers being born out there would be poisoned with the worst deceptions of her critics.

While it is refreshing to know that Valliant finally acknowledges that next to nobody is talking about PARC (I presume that this is what an "aging debate" means in Valliant-speak), the idea of him and his supporters trying to control the minds of "new Rand readers being born out there" shows a level of alienation on a primary perception level that is breathtaking in a person who claims to know Rand's philosophy. This posture is simply disconnected from reality. Literally. It's loony-farm stuff.

Setting aside (for the moment) the total boneheadedness and outright lies in PARC, let's look at a couple of simple facts that tell an interesting story about Valliant's alienation. First, let's look at the "dramatically increased" "new Rand readers being born out there" (to use his own words).

How many are there? According to ARI:

ARI said:

In 2008, total sales of Ayn Rand's books (net sales in English, all editions) were 825,000.

According to a consultation I just did, Atlas Shrugged is No. 75 in the top 100 books being sold on Amazon. Today is June 14, 2009.

That's a hell of a lot of new readers.

Now let's look at the efforts of James Valliant and supporters to keep this huge number of new readers of Ayn Rand "being born out there" from being "poisoned with the worst deceptions of her critics." Here is a screen-print I just took of the poll that was set up on SLOP on June 8 to try to destroy Barbara Branden and show the credibility of PARC (and help alert the mass of new readers to the "poison").

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In about seven days, there has been 22 whole people who have voted in this poll and it has garnered 478 views, most of which are likely to be the voters themselves and a few lone souls like me who even bother to look at this stuff. Don't forget that this poll appears on the front page of SLOP 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

By any standard you wish to use, 850,000 to 22 is quite a jump. But let's be fair. Let's divide 850,000 by 52 (the 52 weeks in a year to compensate for only one week of the poll). We come to about 16,346.

That's over 16,000 to 22.

If we are looking at simple reach, that's a cream. A wipeout. A total trouncing by reality.

And let's not forget that only 9 of these 22 voted for the two "trash the Brandens" options in the poll.

Is it possible that these 9 people have managed to get the word out to even a small slice of those 850,000 new Rand readers from last year and the several hundred thousand new Rand readers this year? Maybe these 9 people were the ones who caused an increase of more than a million new Rand book sales since last year?

Heh.

These alienated souls think they are "defending Rand's honor." With respect to this million plus new readers, these readers don't need anyone to defend Rand's honor. They already decided that point with their pocketbook.

To be vulgar, what these 9 hapless half-wits are doing is about as effective as a fart in a shit factory.

(Sorry. Since I am talking about SLOP, this uncharacteristic lapse into vulgarity just popped out...)

Or in the former words of Objectivist Liar Lindsay Perigo about the impact of himself and Solo Passion (including PARC) on the Objectivist movement:

"Whole lotta' shakin' going on."

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 03:49 AM

Michael,

PARC is #254,727 on Amazon. The last time it was reviewed was over 7 months ago.

The Passion of Ayn Rand is #113,097.

The recently released Objectively Speaking collection of interviews with AR is #63,312.

Amazon doesn't report any books citing PARC. There are 28 books that cite Passion.

So to the extent that the sales of Atlas are drawing people to interest in Rand's life (which doesn't seem the case, though I don't know of Amazon's numbers re these books prior to the GEC), it isn't drawing many people to Valliant's opus.

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 09:12 AM

Idea: Give away cheap conducting baton with every copy of PARC.
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Posted 15 June 2009 - 09:30 AM

I want to quote myself from above with a small change.

Objectivist Liar Lindsay Perigo snarls and growls and cuts loose with hyena-like heehaw screeches, but says nothing of substance.

The only good thing about the barking of junkyard dogs is that they can only bark in the junkyard.

In Perigo's case, they let him on other venues at times, but they always keep him on a leash and tightly confined. And he usually just wags his tail and barks only a little at those times. Definitely no snarling...

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 02:30 PM

Folks, I get these from Atlasphere, I thought this was well put and apropos:

"Ayn Rand's Philosophy at a Crossroads

And there are "internal" problems as well. There are rancorous, often petty, debates within the movement that annoy and discourage newcomers to the philosophy. If self-professed defenders of reason resort to personal insult attacks, instead of reasoned arguments, against those with whom they disagree, it doesn't say much for the success of the philosophy in action.

And if, as some argue, Objectivism is a finished product with no room for deeper understanding and application of its principles, then there's little opportunity for others to help deepen and enhance the movement — providing another disincentive for newcomers.

So we confront two parallel problems:a world-wide crisis of need for solutions, and a movement with solutions that is divided and suffering diminished effectiveness within itself."


http://www.theatlasphere.com/columns/09061...-free-minds.php

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 09:24 PM

Robert,

There is a very odd thing going on at SLOP. I don't know if you noticed, but several statements by the hapless Valliant tag team on Wikipedia in the backstage comments are now gone. Some of the passages dealt with things like Pelagius1 claiming that she and she along (if it was a she) is responsible for all edits made on Wikipedia under the Valliant household IP, and then trying to push the Wikipedia editors into treating the total innocence of James Valliant as a verified fact.

To me, these deletions are neither here nor there. This episode has already (and rightfully) exhausted the patience of several of the Wikipedia editors, so it is entirely reasonable for them to take out the garbage, so to speak, and delete some of the more frivolous and boneheaded stuff.

What is odd is that, since these statements are no longer present, they are treated as if they did not exist at all and this proves something in the sense of casting bonehead Valliant in a more favorable light. Now folks want to play make-believe grant him some sort of half-assed deniabilty. Bonehead Valliant certainly ain't saying nothin' about 'em, either. He's benefiting. Or at least he acts like he thinks he is.

Such inferences aren't just barking by the junkyard dogs, either. Grande Dame of St. Referee Ellen Stuttle is blowing her umpire's whistle from here to Kingdom come based on this.

But I saw these statements. I know they existed because I read them when I first starting reading all that material. (Who knows? Maybe they are still up and I just can't find them anymore.)

I look at all this stuff and just wonder how rational people can take someone like Valliant seriously.

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 09:38 PM

Even more crap from Vallaint.

Bonehead Valliant threatens William Scherk:

Bonehead James Valliant said:

So, no, please, please never write me again, Mr. Scherk. . . . let's just keep all of our exchanges public from now on. This is no promise I will waste the time to reply, just a warning that I am familiar with the Stalking Laws and such.

He obviously must mean something like spamming the living daylights out of Wikipedia as a meatpuppet (Wikipedia's charming term for spammer-editor) and comments to the Wikipedia editors like the following:

Valliant or spouse to Wikipedia editor as Pegalius1 said:

The principle is clear and simple: any use of Nathaniel or Barbara Branden in Wikipedia must be qualified by an accompanying citation or reference to "The Passion of Ayn Rand's Critics."

I don't know about that part concerning "stalking laws and such," but at least bonehead Valliant shows practical knowledge of stalking.

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 02:09 AM

Yeah, well one way or the other, good look attempting a frontal assault on WSS.

Have fun with that, fuckers.

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 09:34 AM

Michael,

Mr. Valliant does seem to be getting a free pass at SOLOP.

But there is a lot of confusion in that thread, not least because of statements by Mr. Valliant that are cryptic and obscure even by his customary standard.

Frankly, some of them read like products of disorientation.

I'm going to try to sort some issues out in another post over there.

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 09:57 AM

View PostRobert Campbell, on Jun 16 2009, 08:34 AM, said:

Michael,

Mr. Valliant does seem to be getting a free pass at SOLOP.

But there is a lot of confusion in that thread, not least because of statements by Mr. Valliant that are cryptic and obscure even by his customary standard.

Frankly, some of them read like products of disorientation.

I'm going to try to sort some issues out in another post over there.

Robert Campbell

Medication? It could be affecting him.

"Stalking laws"? WSS lives in Canada. I doubt if JV could touch him with that there on the basis of emails. You and Neil aren't giving him a free pass. I've not engaged him and don't care to immerse myself in that Wikipedia morass just for starters. Ever since Neil ran over his whole book with a thresher, I've put him and it so far behind me I don't even want to go back to Amazon and put up my new review. I'm interested in steak, not carrion.

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 10:24 AM

Robert,

It saddens me to say this, but what we are witnessing (in addition to all the other schism crap) is one of the reasons I would never want a dyed-in-the-wool ortho-Objectivist in political power. Give me a good old-fashioned corrupt politician any day of the week.

If one of these dudes ever gets his hands on real power, we can expect the following based on many, many acts by ortho-Objectivists that are on record for any and all to see thanks to the Internet:

1. Constant rewriting of history.
2. Gross manipulation of authority.
3. Outright lying to the public practiced as a moral value.
4. Never answering uncomfortable direct questions with a direct response unless it is smarm, intimidation, cussing or moral outrage.
5. Strong formation of cliques.
6. Scapegoating people or groups to the point of bigotry.
7. Anonymous vandalism attacks on public sources of information, including attempts to skew the results of polls and surveys.

And on and on and on.

Granted that one of the tenets of Objectivism is non-initiation of force. But I have seen too much in life (and even in this small subcommunity these last few years) to believe that this will remain in the souls of people who practice the above. I believe more in Lord Acton's observation: "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Incidentally, on the Wikipedia entry of Lord Acton, there is a very interesting part of the paragraph where this quote comes from (Essays on Freedom and Power, p. 364): "There is no worse heresy than the fact that the office sanctifies the holder of it."

In my judgment, a dyed-in-the-wool ortho-Objectivist in political power would sell out the basic tenets of Objectivism the moment he or she feels sanctified (Objectivism-wise) by office. I believe such a person would become a very, very dangerous person.

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 10:51 AM

A straw in the wind for ARIologists to contemplate: the latest printing of We the Living, with an intro by Peikoff, identifies him as her "philosophical heir" after more than 20 years as her "intellectual heir."
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Posted 16 June 2009 - 12:14 PM

Brant,

The "free pass" for Jim Valliant has been coming from Ellen Stuttle, specifically.

At least part of her defense of Mr. Valliant is based on a simple mistake (she missed an important statement by WSS about Pelagius1's single solitary edit to an article).

I've posted about Holly Valliant's alleged responsibility for all (most?) of IP160 and Pelagius1's capers.

We'll see whether there is any response.

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 01:18 PM

Robert,

JV is coming across more and more like a thug, which seems to be a trial lawyer default. PARC was a mugging cum prosecutor's brief. The initial credibility of PARC--what there was of it--came from the Rand material and the fact it would take a tremendous amount of time and effort to go through it point by point as Neil finally did.

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