Why so few Christians joining fight against The Mark?

[RidleyReport]

For over twenty years, "Patriot Pastor" Garrett Lear has strode the halls of New Hampshire's legislature...serving as a voice for his faith and his Revolutionary War ancestors. Today he talks with us about Real ID, the liberty deficit among Christians and his colorful outfit. Pastor Lear's church is in Wakefield, New Hampshire.

What do *you* think? Is Real ID the Mark of the Beast? A precursor to it? A bad thing? A good thing?

[syrakusos]

KJV - Rom 13:1 - Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. King James Version 1611, 1769

NKJV - Rom 13:1 - LET every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. New King James Version © 1982 Thomas Nelson

NLT - Rom 13:1 - Obey the government, for God is the one who put it there. All governments have been placed in power by God. New Living Translation © 1996 Tyndale Charitable Trust

NIV - Rom 13:1 - Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. New International Version © 1973, 1978, 1984 International Bible Society

ESV - Rom 13:1 - Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. The Holy Bible, English Standard Version © 2001 Crossway Bibles

RVR - Rom 13:1 - Sométase toda persona a las autoridades superiores; porque no hay autoridad sino de parte de Dios, y las que hay, por Dios han sido establecidas. Reina-Valera copyright © 1960 Sociedades Bíblicas en América Latina; copyright © renewed 1988 United Bible Societies.

NASB - Rom 13:1 - Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. New American Standard Bible © 1995 Lockman Foundation

RSV - Rom 13:1 - Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Revised Standard Version © 1947, 1952.

ASV - Rom 13:1 - Let every soul be in subjection to the higher powers: for there is no power but of God; and the [powers] that be are ordained of God. American Standard Version 1901 Info

Young - Rom 13:1 - Let every soul to the higher authorities be subject, for there is no authority except from God, and the authorities existing are appointed by God, Robert Young Literal Translation 1862, 1887, 1898 Info

Darby - Rom 13:1 - Let every soul be subject to the authorities that are above [him]. For there is no authority except from God; and those that exist are set up by God. J.N.Darby Translation 1890 Info

Webster - Rom 13:1 - Let every soul be subject to the higher powers. For there is no power but from God: the powers that are, are ordained by God. Noah Webster Version 1833 Info

HNV - Rom 13:1 - Let every soul be in subjection to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those who exist are ordained by God. Hebrew Names Version 2000 Info

Vulgate - Rom 13:1 - omnis anima potestatibus sublimioribus subdita sit non est enim potestas nisi a Deo quae autem sunt a Deo ordinatae sunt Jerome's Latin Vulgate 405 A.D. Info

From the Blue Letter Bible Society. www.blueletterbible.org

Do you need it in Greek? Christians obey the government because God put governments on Earth to rule men. It says so in the Bible.

[BaalChatzaf]

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From the Blue Letter Bible Society. www.blueletterbible.org

Do you need it in Greek? Christians obey the government because God put governments on Earth to rule men. It says so in the Bible.

I prefer the Talmud. For example Tehillim 146:3 "Do not put your trust in princes, nor in human beings in whom there is no salvation..."

Or better yet, First Samuel chapter 8. A scathing indictment of government and a warning against the authority of kings. (I prefer it in Hebrew, but here it is in an English translation):

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In his old age Samuel appointed his sons judges over Israel.

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His first-born was named Joel, his second son, Abijah; they judged at Beer-sheba.

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His sons did not follow his example but sought illicit gain and accepted bribes, perverting justice.

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Therefore all the elders of Israel came in a body to Samuel at Ramah

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and said to him, "Now that you are old, and your sons do not follow your example, appoint a king over us, as other nations have, to judge us."

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Samuel was displeased when they asked for a king to judge them. He prayed to the LORD, however,

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who said in answer: "Grant the people's every request. It is not you they reject, they are rejecting me as their king.

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As they have treated me constantly from the day I brought them up from Egypt to this day, deserting me and worshiping strange gods, so do they treat you too.

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Now grant their request; but at the same time, warn them solemnly and inform them of the practices of the king who will rule them."

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Samuel delivered the message of the LORD in full to those who were asking him for a king.

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He told them: "The rights of the king who will rule you will be as follows: He will take your sons and assign them to his chariots and horses, and they will run before his chariot.

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He will also appoint from among them his commanders of groups of a thousand and of a hundred soldiers. He will set them to do his plowing and his harvesting, and to make his implements of war and the equipment of his chariots.

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He will use your daughters as ointment-makers, as cooks, and as bakers.

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He will take the best of your fields, vineyards, and olive groves, and give them to his officials.

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He will tithe your crops and your vineyards, and give the revenue to his eunuchs and his slaves.

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He will take your male and female servants, as well as your best oxen and your asses, and use them to do his work.

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He will tithe your flocks and you yourselves will become his slaves.

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When this takes place, you will complain against the king whom you have chosen, but on that day the LORD will not answer you."

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The people, however, refused to listen to Samuel's warning and said, "Not so! There must be a king over us.

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We too must be like other nations, with a king to rule us and to lead us in warfare and fight our battles."

Well, the Israelites got their wish. They got Saul the psychotic as their King.

Ba'al Chatzaf

Edited March 12, 2008 by BaalChatzaf

[Mike11]

Sigh.

Anyway,

As for those verses in Romans (you could have used the whole chapter) they don't take into account the Evangelical fear of central authority that exists today, for the last several decades Xians have been obsessed with the Antichrist and Last Days. I think its that which RidleyReports was talking about.

[syrakusos]

... they don't take into account the Evangelical fear of central authority that exists today ... ,

It is pretty much an article of faith that this Beastly Numbering or tattooing or chip implanting or whatever will take place. A letter writing campaign to Congress is not exactly the field of engagement. It is very much like the end of the world faith of others here. Would you expect them to petition the Council on Foreign Bilderbergers?

Besides, what the Christians do is their business, not ours.

Edited March 12, 2008 by Michael E. Marotta