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#21 tmj

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 12:23 AM

at core does qm, in any of its variants, require the suspension of perceptual reality? If so, how could it (ultimately) be proved?

 

Heh.
 

Ya' poison a cat in a box with the poison on a time delay, but ya' don't actually kill it until ya' look at it.

 

I would say QM, as often promoted, is a super-enhancement of "perceptual reality."

 

Think of death-rays beaming from your eyes...

 

:smile:

 

Michael

literally i can't

 

perhaps a personal failing

 

 

 

not to mention is that really how cats die?



#22 Michael Stuart Kelly

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 11:11 AM

... is that really how cats die?

 

It's rare.

 

But if you're a cat, be careful--and afraid, be very afraid--if your master's name is Schrödinger.

 

Schrodinger-cat-wiki.jpg

 

:)

 

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:47 PM

I hope you are all  aware the cat parable is used to illustrate a theoretical point. In electron going through a Stern-Gerlach magnet is like the cat.  Its spin is either up or down but one doesn't know which until the electron is detected.


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#24 Michael Stuart Kelly

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:56 PM

Bob,

 

I don't think the cat gives a damn.

 

It's got a bigger problem, like trying to keep from being seen...

 

(gradually enter music from The Twilight Zone...)

 

:)

 

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 10:55 PM


Rand’s expression of what she had gathered of quantum mechanics and its extraneous, popular philosophical pufferies as of 1957 are voiced by Robert Stadler in a scene with Floyd Ferris on pages 340–48 of AS (hdbk, 1st ed.).*

 
Stephen,
 
I went to the link you posted, but instead of Robert Stadler, I got entangled in a transactional interpretation of quantum mechanics and something called a CFD, a contrafactual definiteness principle.
 
Now my brain hurts even more.
 
:smile:
 
Michael
 
Is is very disappointing that some prominent Objectivists have indicated support for certain quantum theories going nowhere.
 
Dennis

And those would be?

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:50 AM

 

 


Rand’s expression of what she had gathered of quantum mechanics and its extraneous, popular philosophical pufferies as of 1957 are voiced by Robert Stadler in a scene with Floyd Ferris on pages 340–48 of AS (hdbk, 1st ed.).*

 
Stephen,
 
I went to the link you posted, but instead of Robert Stadler, I got entangled in a transactional interpretation of quantum mechanics and something called a CFD, a contrafactual definiteness principle.
 
Now my brain hurts even more.
 
:smile:
 
Michael
 
Is is very disappointing that some prominent Objectivists have indicated support for certain quantum theories going nowhere.
 
Dennis

And those would be?

 

transactional interpretation of quantum mechanics






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