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#1 jts

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 02:48 AM

Most people live busy lives. So maybe you don't have time to go thru a 1.5 hour documentary. But there is no way to inform yourself except by taking the time necessary. On the other hand if you have a philosophy, you might be able to use that as a substitute for knowledge. It seems to work in physics, why not in other fields?

The doctoring industry is perhaps the most corrupt of all industries. And the shrinkiatry part of it seems to be the most corrupt part of the doctoring profession. If you think they are angels, you will be shocked by this documentary.

Making a Killing: The Untold Story of Psychotropic Drugging - Full Movie (Documentary) video 1:34:43

They are crookeder than a dog's hind leg and lower than a snake's belly and they deserve a kick in the ass so hard that that they gotta clear their throat to fart.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 04:51 AM

If you have a problem with the length of "Making a Killing", you might prefer this on. It is twice as long. It is time well spent.

The Marketing of Madness: The Truth About Psychotropic Drugs-Full Length Documentary video 2:57:10

They have no science. The word for doctors whose doctoring is not based on science is 'quack'. Don't matter they are approved by government. The MD after the name doesn't cut any ice with me either.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 04:59 PM

The marketers of nonscience supported medicine repeatedly evade and dodge the challenges of real science.

If it ducks like a quack ......

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 10:16 PM

Someone very close to me had acute panic anxiety with, of course, a "DSM #." classified as federally disabled, received psychotropic drugs and, thankfully, with some discussion with me, opted to cease the medication, with medical permission, and shifted to behavioral modification.

The individual is now able to travel, not completely without some degree of "stress," but is leading a reasonably active life. The drug, as the individual described it's effects, was like having the outer 20% of each side of their mind shut down.

This was an extremely creative individual and they did not like the state of mind that these psychotropic drugs imposed on their mind.
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 12:36 AM

A couple of books by Dr. Peter Breggin (a libertarian) on this topic:

Medication Madness: A Psychiatrist Exposes the Dangers of Mood-Altering Medications

“There are over 200 million psychiatric drug prescriptions written annually—Most Do More Harm than Good”

Toxic Psychiatry: Why Therapy, Empathy and Love Must Replace the Drugs, Electroshock, and Biochemical Theories of the “New Psychiatry”

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 03:03 AM

The marketers of nonscience supported medicine repeatedly evade and dodge the challenges of real science. If it ducks like a quack ......


That is very, very clever, Carol!
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 03:28 AM

In a different post, I mentioned reading The Same and not the Same by Nobel laureate in chemistry, Roald Hoffman. It is quite likely that even within your own body, no two hemoglobin molecules are the same. I have a couple of papers I wrote for school in the fundamental nature of individuality. Those, too, are based on scientific fact. (There are three different mechanisms for Type 1 Diabetes, all treatable by the same regimen, but each distinct from the others.) In medicine if 60% of the subjects respond well to a treatment, it is considered a success.

In a sense, the failing is deeply cultural. While we do recognize individuality, in fact, the stronger claim is that we are all "equal." Maybe in the future, the dominant philosophy will recognize that we are all different. One consequence of that would be drugs of all kinds - vitamins, mood makers, artery cleaners, etc., etc. -- tailored for the recipient.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 04:36 AM

Michael,

A useful perspective, I believe. It's early days
for psychiatry, and perhaps too much emphasis is given
to the 'quick fix', 'one size fits all' aspect. In medicine
it seems we have a deep-seated need for miracles, at the cost
of common sense.
The individuation approach is surely correct.

(The divide between synthetic drugs, and natural herbal treatment
has never made much sense to me. They are both complex,
organic, chemical compounds - often with the 'synthetic' being
no more than an isolated and concentrated form of the other.
But I admit I'm largely ignorant.)

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 10:24 PM

Whatever the FDA approves, avoid it. The Fraud and Deception Administration approves only bad things, never good things. When they approve tomatoes and broccoli, that's when I will quit tomatoes and broccoli.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 10:34 PM


(The divide between synthetic drugs, and natural herbal treatment
has never made much sense to me. They are both complex,
organic, chemical compounds - often with the 'synthetic' being
no more than an isolated and concentrated form of the other.
But I admit I'm largely ignorant.)

There are 2 kinds of quacks: orthodox and alternative. The latter has a bunch of subdivisions of quacks. A poison is a poison. Don't matter whether it is animal, vegetable, or mineral. Herbalists are quacks who use poisonous plants.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 11:24 PM



(The divide between synthetic drugs, and natural herbal treatment
has never made much sense to me. They are both complex,
organic, chemical compounds - often with the 'synthetic' being
no more than an isolated and concentrated form of the other.
But I admit I'm largely ignorant.)

There are 2 kinds of quacks: orthodox and alternative. The latter has a bunch of subdivisions of quacks. A poison is a poison. Don't matter whether it is animal, vegetable, or mineral. Herbalists are quacks who use poisonous plants.

Water is a poison.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 11:28 PM

Whatever the FDA approves, avoid it. The Fraud and Deception Administration approves only bad things, never good things. When they approve tomatoes and broccoli, that's when I will quit tomatoes and broccoli.

Stories:
http://www.ssristories.com/index.php

This is as mindless a statement as I've ever read on OL. I know you are over-reaching to make a point, but when it comes to drugs and medicine over-reaching is wrong.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 08:26 AM

I watched the documentaries. The videos, combining carefully edited excerpts from a conglomeration of psychiatrists and other physicians, with a narration delivered in tones suggesting something sinister and conspiratorial, was as about as subtle as a sledgehammer. Psychiatry has enough faults, including the over-use of psychopharmacology by some psychiatrists, which have been discussed at some length in both the popular and medical media.. However, the heavy-handed approach of these videos suggests that there is another agenda being promoted here..

Sure enough, at the conclusion, the narrator suggests contacting the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (which produced both of these videos), for more information.
And who are they? A front ("front," because they do not promote their connection) for the CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY. Not exactly an organization known for objective handling of the facts, particularly about psychiatry.
.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_Rights

The group continues its vendetta against psychiatry that was started by their founder, L. Ron Hubbard, who originally sought the approval of psychiatrists, but became angered when his book, Dianetics: The Science of Mental Health, received very critical reviews in the press from some prominent psychiatrists. Scientology is an outgrowth of Dianetics, but was organized as a religion for obvious legal and financial benefits.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 08:35 AM

So, do we have a problem right here--right here in River City?

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 08:54 AM

I don't know about "I-O-Way" (although that's where Oprah Winfrey campaigned for Obama, helping him win the Iowa primary in 2008. Not having caused enough trouble, they voted for Rick Santorum, and now we are afflicted with him)!
Thanks, "I O Way," (as pronounced in The Music Man).

Is there a problem re psychiatry and scientology fronts? Nope. Read them both (or as much as you can stomach) and decide.
In general, psychiatrists spend a lot of time criticizing each others theories and (in some cases, bogus) therapies, which is interminable because, as the scientology propaganda pieces point out, there's not much "hard" science behind any one of them.

In scientology's case, however, this is a case of "the pot calling the kettle, black."
It's hard to get crazier than some psychiatric theories, but L. Ron proved that there is no limit to human gullibility.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 10:38 AM

I watched the documentaries. The videos, combining carefully edited excerpts from a conglomeration of psychiatrists and other physicians, with a narration delivered in tones suggesting something sinister and conspiratorial, was as about as subtle as a sledgehammer. Psychiatry has enough faults, including the over-use of psychopharmacology by some psychiatrists, which have been discussed at some length in both the popular and medical media.. However, the heavy-handed approach of these videos suggests that there is another agenda being promoted here..

Sure enough, at the conclusion, the narrator suggests contacting the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (which produced both of these videos), for more information.
And who are they? A front ("front," because they do not promote their connection) for the CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY. Not exactly an organization known for objective handling of the facts, particularly about psychiatry.
.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_Rights

The group continues its vendetta against psychiatry that was started by their founder, L. Ron Hubbard, who originally sought the approval of psychiatrists, but became angered when his book, Dianetics: The Science of Mental Health, received very critical reviews in the press from some prominent psychiatrists. Scientology is an outgrowth of Dianetics, but was organized as a religion for obvious legal and financial benefits.

Your reasoning seems to be:

#1. All scientologists are opposed to shrinkiatry. (which is probably true)
#2. Therefore all people who are opposed to shrinkiatry are scientologists. (definitely false)

Statement #2 does not follow from statement #1.

Also your reasoning seems to be:

#1. Scientology is crap. (true)
#2. Scientology is opposed to shrinkiatry. (true)
#3. Therefore shrinkiatry is not crap.

Statement #3 does not follow from #1 and #2.

I happen to believe BOTH scientology and shrinkiatry are crap.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 10:44 AM

I happen to believe BOTH scientology and shrinkiatry are crap.

Thank you for the hard orientation.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 01:25 PM


I watched the documentaries. The videos, combining carefully edited excerpts from a conglomeration of psychiatrists and other physicians, with a narration delivered in tones suggesting something sinister and conspiratorial, was as about as subtle as a sledgehammer. Psychiatry has enough faults, including the over-use of psychopharmacology by some psychiatrists, which have been discussed at some length in both the popular and medical media.. However, the heavy-handed approach of these videos suggests that there is another agenda being promoted here..

Sure enough, at the conclusion, the narrator suggests contacting the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (which produced both of these videos), for more information.
And who are they? A front ("front," because they do not promote their connection) for the CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY. Not exactly an organization known for objective handling of the facts, particularly about psychiatry.
.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_Rights

The group continues its vendetta against psychiatry that was started by their founder, L. Ron Hubbard, who originally sought the approval of psychiatrists, but became angered when his book, Dianetics: The Science of Mental Health, received very critical reviews in the press from some prominent psychiatrists. Scientology is an outgrowth of Dianetics, but was organized as a religion for obvious legal and financial benefits.

Your reasoning seems to be:

#1. All scientologists are opposed to shrinkiatry. (which is probably true)
#2. Therefore all people who are opposed to shrinkiatry are scientologists. (definitely false)

Statement #2 does not follow from statement #1.

Also your reasoning seems to be:

#1. Scientology is crap. (true)
#2. Scientology is opposed to shrinkiatry. (true)
#3. Therefore shrinkiatry is not crap.

Statement #3 does not follow from #1 and #2.

I happen to believe BOTH scientology and shrinkiatry are crap.

Your conclusions (the "therefore"s) do not follow at all from what I said. You are making assumptions and extrapolations based on what you would like to believe I said. Read what I said again.

No, on second thought, don't bother. We agree that "BOTH scientology and shrinkiatry " is crap. Let's leave it at that.

The documentaries that you linked to are both products of scientology. Like most propaganda issued by cults, they engage in half-truths and exaggeration, creating strawmen and then knocking them down. It would not likely convince anyone for very long.

In terms of propaganda, however, it might get their writers jobs with MSNBC..

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 07:10 PM

There are 2 kinds of quacks: orthodox and alternative. The latter has a bunch of subdivisions of quacks. A poison is a poison. Don't matter whether it is animal, vegetable, or mineral. Herbalists are quacks who use poisonous plants.


There are two kinds of people in the world. Those who think there are two kinds of people in the world, and those with other opinions. For the purpose of learning, we omit such pesky measurements and tip all the distinctions into one big pot.

There are three kinds of Chimpanzees in the world, Pan troglodytes, Pan paniscus ... and I cannot be bothered to look it up.

Most Chimps are (without knowing it) Scientologists. I make this claim strongly. I make the claim that John Travis Simpson here is a rogue scientologist chimp. Having taught himself to speak and read and drive a truck for the Shriners, he went off the rails of being a Chimp qua Chimp, and became a sport of nature. Three parts crank, one part oboe, one part screech owl, and only one part hominid (those grasping fingers on his feet). This is true because I said it.

Though not as attractive as the other similar primate, Jo-Jo the Dog-faced Boy, John Travis can probably achieve similar renown and mentions in The Globe (just beside Monica Lewinsky/Obama Zombie Love Child: Does Michelle Know?, but below Obama is not a Marxist: He is ALIEN.). How do I know this? Well, everything is poison, everyone is a quack, Scientologists make good points, and ... we are all doomed. Thus ...

If anyone is in doubt of the truth of what I say, I can quickly construct a false dilemma: If you do not accept what I (or John Travis) say/s. then you support the FDA and want to destroy human freedom.

Thus, John Travis is a renegade chimpanzee scientologist with scrofula, a small room in Pensacola's 'carny alley' -- and a small pension from the Shriners. The Shriners wear red Fezzes. Islamic sheiks wear Red Fezzes. King Farouk wore a fez. Thus, thus. Thus!

Thus JTS is a false-flag Zombie Alien Marxist Sex God Robot, like all other former or pre-scientologist terrorists.

That is how I reason, loose, wide, sweeping and determined. Kind of like a Zamboni, reducing all before me to a clean sheet of slippery goodness. Suitable for professional sports and recreational zombie leagues alike.

NB - the truck that John Travis drove until 'the accident' was not a full-sized truck. If you have ever been to a Shriner Islamic Terrorist Parade, you will know what I mean. Well, bonobos won't, but JTS is no Abu bin Bonobo. He is Abu bin Trog ... Thus, thus.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 12:30 AM

To complete the hijacking of the Shriner Terrorist Chimp Parade thread, here is a little-known picture of the chief Shriner Priestess, Pepsico-Rothschild-FDA honcho Joan Crawford, with John Travis's mother, Bette. Date unknown. Note the heavily-regulated stupefying beverage in Miss Crawford's left paw, and the Missing Monster in the mirror behind her with self-same fatal brew. Obama? Hitler? Mr Pepsico?

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