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#1 George H. Smith

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 12:17 PM

http://www.cato.org/SaveCato/

Many people have asked me about the attempt of Charles and David Koch to take control of Cato. Some details can be found at the above link.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 12:22 PM

http://www.weeklysta....html?nopager=1

This article by P.J. O'Rourke is especially good.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:39 PM

George,

I'm sorry to hear of this takeover attempt.

Charles and David Koch would have been better advised to leave the Cato Institute alone.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 07:17 PM

Here's the thread I started on this when it first broke:
http://www.objectivi...ndpost&p=157572

I still don't know what to make of it. People who want to support the Cato Institute will just found a new organization, and this business can only arrest, and even taint, the whole endeavor of spreading libertarian ideas.
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Posted 20 March 2012 - 08:38 PM

Here are some aspects of Koch that came up on Hannity last night according to this blog:

(John Hinderaker)
The Democrats’ attack on Rush Limbaugh hasn’t turned out the way they had hoped. The blow back, in the form of conservatives pointing out the outrageous conduct of liberals like Bill Maher and Keith Olbermann, has dwarfed the original reaction against Rush. Worse, the blow back continues. So Democrats are now in the position of trying to shut down the conversation about civility and misogyny that they opportunistically started.
Last night on the Hannity Show, Sean Hannity asked Democratic operative Bob Beckel whether President Obama should return the $1 million his PAC received from Maher. Beckel responded by trying to change the subject–no surprise there–but he did so in a despicable manner:


[T]he rest of them are taking money from the Koch brothers who are Iranian arms sellers…But [Koch] traded arms with our enemies [and] I think that’s a lot worse.

Here is the video:

This was sheer fantasy. Beckel just made it up to avoid having to deal with the reality of Democratic Party misogyny. Apart from the utter falsity of his claim, there is a certain irony in his dragging the Koch brothers, two of the most gentlemanly individuals you are likely to meet, into a conversation about Bill Maher’s references to c***s and t***s.
Koch Industries responded to Beckel’s smear on KochFacts:


During a discussion on a Fox News program on Monday, March 19, partisan left-wing commentator Bob Beckel made outrageous and maliciously false statements about Koch. In reference to GOP presidential candidates, Beckel said, “the rest of them are taking money from the Koch brothers who are Iranian arms sellers.”
Mr. Beckel made the remarks in a bizarre effort to rebut concerns that the Obama campaign had accepted contributions from donors that have made disparaging remarks about women. He added, “But [Koch] traded arms with our enemies [and] I think that’s a lot worse.”

Mr. Beckel’s comments are reckless and wrong in many different ways. We assume he was referring to allegations contained in a widely criticized Bloomberg Markets article from last October. First, Koch has never manufactured, bought, sold, or traded arms of any kind or for any purpose — neither with Iran nor anyone else. Second, unlike many large contributors to the President and the Democratic party that Mr. Beckel is affiliated with that either continue to do business in Iran or did it at a much larger level for a longer time than Koch did, Koch voluntarily ceased all business in Iran several years ago.

At that time Koch put in place a policy that was stricter than US federal law that remains in place today. Third, the sales referred to in the Bloomberg Markets article related to petrochemical equipment [not arms] involving a foreign subsidiary of another foreign subsidiary of Koch that had in place protocols that were consistent with existing US law – something Bloomberg Markets itself was forced to concede.

Given the orchestrated campaign against us by those who oppose our views on public policy issues, we expect and have received partisan and baseless criticism and attacks over the past few years. Further, while it is hard to take a partisan hack like Mr. Beckel seriously and while he has made other misleading comments about us in the past, these new, entirely false charges out of whole cloth are a low even for him.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 10:40 PM

Here's the thread I started on this when it first broke: http://www.objectivi...ndpost&p=157572 I still don't know what to make of it. People who want to support the Cato Institute will just found a new organization, and this business can only arrest, and even taint, the whole endeavor of spreading libertarian ideas.


I don't understand any of this either. With their billions Charles and David could easily start a new foundation and use that for whatever purposes they wish. I cannot fathom why it is necessary to gain control of Cato.

I have met Charles Koch a few times; he flew me out to Witchata many years ago to give a lecture for a supper club, and he financed a writing project of mine c. 1993. (He's a very nice guy.) I have never met David Koch, but I was under the impression that both are serious libertarians. I guess they have drifted to the right over the years.

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 06:54 AM

George, thanks for posting #1 and #2. Very interesting.

But Cato shouldn’t be involved in partisan politics. It is a 501©(3) organization forbidden from campaigning for or against any candidate on pain of “termination with extreme prejudice” by the most ruthless and powerful of U.S. intelligence agencies, the IRS.

That seems like a big issue. I wonder about the fine line between actiions that are and are not considered to be "campaigning for or against any candidate." I guess I could find out here (29 pages).

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 08:55 AM

On his Monday broadcast, syndicated conservative radio host Mark Levin offered his take on a Daily Caller report that tied Media Matters for America to the al-Jazeera network. TheDC reported that the organization’s foreign policy fellow MJ Rosenberg has made some ill-advised statements about the Jewish community and the United States.

Levin called on the Internal Revenue Service to review Media Matters’ tax status and called the organization, as he has often done in the past, a “criminal front group.”

“Media Matters is a key political operative entity for the Democrat Party and for this president,” Levin said. “I don’t care if it covers itself in the charitable, non-profit, non-partisan mode, part of the Internal Revenue Code. That’s for the IRS to sort out and the IRS ought to be looking at them, quite frankly, as I’ve said many, many times. That’s why I call them a ‘criminal front group.’”

Levin challenged Media Matters to take action against him for the moniker he has given the group, and said he would use a lawsuit as an opportunity to investigate the organization.

“Hey, boys and girls at Media Matters, if you don’t like me calling you a ‘criminal front group,’ what are you going to do about it?” Levin asked. “I would love nothing more than to conduct myself a full-scale discovery of your organization, your finances, your phone records, your emails, your iPods, every little device that you have there.

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“I would love nothing more, me to depose Mr. [David] Brock, the head of your organization. I would love nothing more than to depose Eric Burns. I would love nothing more than myself to depose Mr. Rosenberg, the whole damn bunch of you. You got it?” (RELATED: Full coverage of Media Matters)

The conservative talker challenged President Obama to condemn Media Matters and Rosenberg for his statements. He also suggested Alan Dershowitz, who has condemned the organization for its anti-Israel attacks, could serve as co-counsel.
Read more: http://dailycaller.c.../#ixzz1plNbv4fX
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Posted 21 March 2012 - 10:17 AM

I don't understand any of this either. With their billions Charles and David could easily start a new foundation and use that for whatever purposes they wish. I cannot fathom why it is necessary to gain control of Cato.


George,

Do the brothers Koch have a grudge against Ed Crane that they want to settle?

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 10:50 AM

I don't understand any of this either. With their billions Charles and David could easily start a new foundation and use that for whatever purposes they wish. I cannot fathom why it is necessary to gain control of Cato.

George, Do the brothers Koch have a grudge against Ed Crane that they want to settle? Robert Campbell


I'm not privy to any inside information -- everything I know is in the public domain -- but it wouldn't suprise me if this is a factor.

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 11:43 AM

Do the brothers Koch have a grudge against Ed Crane that they want to settle?

That wouldn't surprise me. The Koch brothers already run Americans for Prosperity, a 501©(4) organization, and Americans for Prosperity Foundation, a 501©(3) organization (link).


501©(4) organizations are generally civic leagues and other corporations operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare, or local associations of employees with membership limited to a designated company or people in a particular municipality or neighborhood, and with net earnings devoted exclusively to charitable, educational, or recreational purposes. 501©(4) organizations may lobby for legislation, and unlike 501©(3) organizations they may also participate in political campaigns and elections, as long as its primary activity is the promotion of social welfare. The tax exemption for 501©(4) organizations applies to most of their operations, but contributions may be subject to gift tax, and income spent on political activities - generally the advocacy of a particular candidate in an election - is taxable.

Contributions to 501©(4) organizations are not deductible as charitable contributions for the U.S. income tax. 501©(4) organizations are not required to disclose their donors publicly. This aspect of the law has led to extensive use of the 501©(4) provisions for organizations that are actively involved in lobbying, and has become controversial. In 2010, a bill (the DISCLOSE Act) was passed by the U.S. House of Representatives that addressed identification of donors to organizations involved in political advocacy, but the Senate Republicans filibustered and prevented a vote on the bill (link).



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Posted 22 March 2012 - 03:05 PM

Heh. I navigate to OL and what do I see? An ad that says: "The Koch Brothers are funding the fight against the EPA. Help the EPA fight back."
It was sponsored by The League of Conservation Voters. I hope LCV pays because I clicked on it. I didn't sign the petition.

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 03:35 PM

Heh. I navigate to OL and what do I see? An ad that says: "The Koch Brothers are funding the fight against the EPA. Help the EPA fight back."
It was sponsored by The League of Conservation Voters. I hope LCV pays because I clicked on it. I didn't sign the petition.


Heh. I navigate to OL and what do I see? An ad that says: "The Koch Brothers are funding the fight against the EPA. Help the EPA fight back."
It was sponsored by The League of Conservation Voters. I hope LCV pays because I clicked on it. I didn't sign the petition.


that's interesting. I just clicked on and got an ad for jewellery.!!!

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 05:05 PM

New interview with Ed Crane.

http://www.slate.com...nt_speaks_.html
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 06:36 PM

ND,

Thanks for the link.

The brothers Koch do have scores to settle with Ed Crane.

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 07:50 PM

ND,

Thanks for the link.

The brothers Koch do have scores to settle with Ed Crane.

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Looks like Crane will retire to take the pressure off CATO

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 11:11 AM

http://www.breitbart...nspiracy-Theory

A right-wing hatchet job on Ed Crane, posted on Brietbart.com.

I just posted a comment under "Smikro." The easiest way to find it is to sort the comments by newest first.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 09:16 PM

Statement by David H. Koch Executive Vice President, Koch Industries, Inc. Response to Bob Levy’s March 12th Statement Regarding the Cato Institute

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:42 AM

Statement by David H. Koch Executive Vice President, Koch Industries, Inc. Response to Bob Levy’s March 12th Statement Regarding the Cato Institute


From the statement by David Koch:


I also told Bob that Cato could become much more effective in translating esoteric concepts into concrete deliverables to move the public policy debate at this critical juncture in our nation’s history. I said Cato should be supportive of other organizations that are advocating public policies consistent with a free society.


Esoteric concepts? Cato?

Concrete deliverables? What kind of doublespeak is this?

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:27 AM

Esoteric concepts? Cato?

Concrete deliverables? What kind of doublespeak is this?

You obviously never went to business school. Try reading Dilbert for a while, it's cheaper than getting an MBA.

http://www.dilbert.com/

http://www.johnsmurf.com/jargon.htm
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