Derek McGowan Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Neil deGrasse Tyson makes a good point about the current mentality around our space program. He says that when people talk about achievement in space, they point to the Saturn V rocket (which I have seen one in Florida--its huge!) A very complicated structure to be sure but it's over 40 years old. He said that there isn't another technology that we still get goggly-eyed over the first version of. The first cell phone, the first computer, the first wired phone for that matter, we don't hold those models up in the same way that we look to the Saturn V, why? because we made newer models with vast improvements after it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backlighting Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 An exception to the above, for me, is I've never seen, tasted or made a better lasagna than my grandmother's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Joe...yes indeed. I used to help one of mine, make tortalini, meat, cheese, or spinach from scratch. You learn a lot of life skills that way. A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Derek: NASA should be eliminated. First it should be defunded. On this day in 1958, the U.S. Congress passes legislation establishing the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), a civilian agency responsible for coordinating America's activities in space. NASA has since sponsored space expeditions, both human and mechanical, that have yielded vital information about the solar system and universe. It has also launched numerous earth-orbiting satellites that have been instrumental in everything from weather forecasting to navigation to global communications. Then legislation should be enacted to eliminate it. A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jts Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Neil deGrasse Tyson thinks NASA is a proper job for government. What does NASA have to do with protecting individual rights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backlighting Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Joe...yes indeed.I used to help one of mine, make tortalini, meat, cheese, or spinach from scratch.You learn a lot of life skills that way.A...One of the skills I learned was faking the drinking of Anisette & Strega at family gatherings.. lolHated that stuff as a kid....still won't touch it.-J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Joe...yes indeed. I used to help one of mine, make tortalini, meat, cheese, or spinach from scratch. You learn a lot of life skills that way. A...One of the skills I learned was faking the drinking of Anisette & Strega at family gatherings.. lol Hated that stuff as a kid....still won't touch it. -J Lol - Anisette needs to be surrounded by jet fuel expresso - lemon peel and a small white cup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek McGowan Posted September 28, 2014 Author Share Posted September 28, 2014 Derek:NASA should be eliminated.First it should be defunded.On this day in 1958, the U.S. Congress passes legislation establishing the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), a civilian agency responsible for coordinating America's activities in space. NASA has since sponsored space expeditions, both human and mechanical, that have yielded vital information about the solar system and universe. It has also launched numerous earth-orbiting satellites that have been instrumental in everything from weather forecasting to navigation to global communications.Then legislation should be enacted to eliminate it.A...What was the significance of your quote? It seems to be in support of NASA as it only has positive things to say about the agency (which I would be in the same boat- except for the fact that we are still stuck on the Saturn V)But if you want it eliminated well that's your opinion, maybe it shouldn't be funded with involuntary taxes but if we had no involuntary taxes, I would certainly volunteer money toward such a program government run or not. They have a great track record, brought many things to use in the market and their budget is only 1/2 of one cent of every tax dollar.Also as far as I know they don't run up deficits... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek McGowan Posted September 28, 2014 Author Share Posted September 28, 2014 Joe...yes indeed.I used to help one of mine, make tortalini, meat, cheese, or spinach from scratch.You learn a lot of life skills that way.A...I never stayed in the kitchen during Sunday dinners with my grandmother so to this day I can't cook anything that doesn't come in a box with instructions (hamburger helper)!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek McGowan Posted September 28, 2014 Author Share Posted September 28, 2014 Neil deGrasse Tyson thinks NASA is a proper job for government. What does NASA have to do with protecting individual rights?A difference of opinions.... especially if one doesn't believe that government is only for protecting individual rights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Neil deGrasse Tyson thinks NASA is a proper job for government. What does NASA have to do with protecting individual rights?A difference of opinions.... especially if one doesn't believe that government is only for protecting individual rightsLike building pyramids?--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Joe...yes indeed.I used to help one of mine, make tortalini, meat, cheese, or spinach from scratch.You learn a lot of life skills that way.A...I never stayed in the kitchen during Sunday dinners with my grandmother so to this day I can't cook anything that doesn't come in a box with instructions (hamburger helper)!!I only like the cheesy-Italian.--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek McGowan Posted September 28, 2014 Author Share Posted September 28, 2014 Neil deGrasse Tyson thinks NASA is a proper job for government. What does NASA have to do with protecting individual rights?A difference of opinions.... especially if one doesn't believe that government is only for protecting individual rightsLike building pyramids?--BrantNo, that's the proper function for Pharaohs, not governments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Derek: NASA should be eliminated. First it should be defunded.On this day in 1958, the U.S. Congress passes legislation establishing the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), a civilian agency responsible for coordinating America's activities in space. NASA has since sponsored space expeditions, both human and mechanical, that have yielded vital information about the solar system and universe. It has also launched numerous earth-orbiting satellites that have been instrumental in everything from weather forecasting to navigation to global communications. Then legislation should be enacted to eliminate it. A...What was the significance of your quote? It seems to be in support of NASA as it only has positive things to say about the agency (which I would be in the same boat- except for the fact that we are still stuck on the Saturn V) But if you want it eliminated well that's your opinion, maybe it shouldn't be funded with involuntary taxes but if we had no involuntary taxes, I would certainly volunteer money toward such a program government run or not. They have a great track record, brought many things to use in the market and their budget is only 1/2 of one cent of every tax dollar. Also as far as I know they don't run up deficits... Derek: My fault on the quote. It was for folks who did not know how NASA came into being. I was pretty sure that it was a legislatively established agency. Therefore, the way to eliminate the agency was to defund it first and then enact legislation to eliminate it. One of the reasons that I would insist on sunset clauses on every piece of legislation. Five (5) years seems a good place to rest on a time frame. If, necessary, ten (10) would work. As to your points about NASA and "voluntary taxation," NASA has come up with tremendous technological advances, one being the interior architectural mechanisms that have helped paraplegics move with relative ease in their homes. War has also come up with tremendous technological advances. I will do some probing to find out about how their funding functions. Voluntary taxation, almost seems to be an oxymoron. I have no problem with you voluntarily contributing to an Agency. Seems like you could invest in a private company that would accomplish more than NASA, more efficiently and more market oriented. A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek McGowan Posted September 28, 2014 Author Share Posted September 28, 2014 Derek:NASA should be eliminated.First it should be defunded.On this day in 1958, the U.S. Congress passes legislation establishing the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), a civilian agency responsible for coordinating America's activities in space. NASA has since sponsored space expeditions, both human and mechanical, that have yielded vital information about the solar system and universe. It has also launched numerous earth-orbiting satellites that have been instrumental in everything from weather forecasting to navigation to global communications.Then legislation should be enacted to eliminate it.A...What was the significance of your quote? It seems to be in support of NASA as it only has positive things to say about the agency (which I would be in the same boat- except for the fact that we are still stuck on the Saturn V)But if you want it eliminated well that's your opinion, maybe it shouldn't be funded with involuntary taxes but if we had no involuntary taxes, I would certainly volunteer money toward such a program government run or not. They have a great track record, brought many things to use in the market and their budget is only 1/2 of one cent of every tax dollar.Also as far as I know they don't run up deficits...Derek:My fault on the quote. It was for folks who did not know how NASA came into being. I was pretty sure that it was a legislatively established agency.Therefore, the way to eliminate the agency was to defund it first and then enact legislation to eliminate it.One of the reasons that I would insist on sunset clauses on every piece of legislation. Five (5) years seems a good place to rest on a time frame. If, necessary, ten (10) would work.As to your points about NASA and "voluntary taxation," NASA has come up with tremendous technological advances,one being the interior architectural mechanisms that have helped paraplegics move with relative ease in theirhomes.War has also come up with tremendous technological advances.I will do some probing to find out about how their funding functions.Voluntary taxation, almost seems to be an oxymoron.I have no problem with you voluntarily contributing to an Agency.Seems like you could invest in a private company that would accomplish more than NASA, more efficiently and more market oriented.A...I don't know if a private company could do the job more efficiently (please don't put NASA in the same boat as the Post Office) Also, hmmm it appears to be a Dr. Stadler sort of situation, I'm actually for theoretical and pure science, the applied side is fantastic as well but I'm not certain how much a market based NASA would add to the pure science category. But of course Tyson (in the video) doesn't think that pure science is the reason we should fund NASA, he says that pure science should tag along and the real reason is for the inspiration that space travel gives the general population which in turn leads many to dream and join the STEM fields which leads to advances in market products, etc Which is the same reasoning behind this effort http://www.buildtheenterprise.org/ps. yes, voluntary contributions, not taxes : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Neil deGrasse Tyson thinks NASA is a proper job for government. What does NASA have to do with protecting individual rights?A difference of opinions.... especially if one doesn't believe that government is only for protecting individual rightsLike building pyramids?--BrantNo, that's the proper function for Pharaohs, not governmentsUh, that's not to be taken literally.--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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