Osama bin Laden Killed


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Pretty picture for my fellow New Yorkers...and my fellow Americans.

Thank you Navy Seals and all the support personnel who made this happen.

You are the best freedom guarantors could ask for.

Adam

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This is from the World Socialist Website which is a place that I visit regularly http://www.wsws.org/index.shtml.

There take here is that:

"Both Obama’s speech and the press commentary was clearly an attempt to rally public support for wars that have become deeply unpopular. Obama asked Americans to “think back to the sense of unity that prevailed on 9/11. I know that it has, at times, frayed.” Media commentators repeatedly expressed the hope that the killing of bin Laden would restore the morale of soldiers fighting in Afghanistan and justify the loss of thousands of lives.

Bin Laden is indelibly associated with a monstrous crime, the murder of nearly 3,000 people on September 11, 2011, most of them dying in the destruction of the World Trade Center towers in New York City, as well as other bloody terrorist attacks around the world. But he was not the cause of the explosion of American militarism that followed the 9/11 attacks, merely the pretext.

One conclusion can be stated with certainty: the killing of bin Laden will not put an end either to the “war on terror” for which he served as a bogeyman, nor to the imperialist wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, in which American military forces have been deployed to secure strategic positions and oil resources of vital interest to American imperialism."

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I'm glad the SOB is dead, but it's a lousy payoff for nearly a decade of perpetual war. Not only are things going bad domestically a la Atlas Shrugged they're going bad a la 1984 war-wise. It's not the end of days; it's not the end of The United States; it's soon-to-be the end of America and the end of Americans who cannot divorce themselves psychologically from the statism that more and more suffuses their society and informs their choices. Such deluded and trapped will still call themselves Americans and think of themselves as Americans, but their American houses no longer sit on American foundations. They'll fight for "freedom" everywhere not knowing what freedom really is. Ironically, the war for freedom was lost with the establishment of The Republic courtesy of the Constitutional Convention and Americans have been eating up their freedom ever since. There's still a lot more of it to eat, folks; it's going to be ate. The real war, the cannibal war, is just getting underway--the war between the fed on and the fed; the destruction of the middle class through taxes, entitlements, regulations, inflation and the kitchen sink. This war should be about freedom, but it's not, so the bad guys are guaranteed to win, whoever they particularly turn out to be they'll be the rulers.

BTW, everybody, Bin Laden will go down in objectively rendered history as a military genius.

--Brant

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So by now he's enjoying his heavenly martyr's reward.

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Nuns with guns awaiting Osama in heaven - de4finately the funniest response to bin Laden's demise that I have seen. Thanks!

BTW, Someone on AOL Huffington Post is advertising t-shirts with Obama smiling and bin Laden in crosshairs,... the t-shirts cation reads in large block letters, "Obama got Osama!"

1) Expect an increase in attempted reprisals by Al Qaida and their heavily-funded allies, for many years to come.

2) Along with the interminable conspiracy theories, "Did Obama really kill bin Laden?"

3) Barring some other disastet (economic or terrorist), Obama's re-election is now assured.

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If God is indeed the grumpy old man of the Old Testament, I suspect OBL is (1) rather surprised by the tame outcome of his death, and (2) really pissed to learn that God is pro-Jew, and maybe even a Zionist. Of course, if Calvin was right about predestination, all of this happened pretty much as expected. :lol:

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If you go to the White House site there is a new address to write the Prez and you need to fill out some info.

Here is what I just wrote:

Dear President Obama,

It will not be forgotten that Bin Laden was brought to justice on your watch. You could have ordered a bombing raid, or brought in the Pakistani’s to aid in his killing or capture but you did not. So much could have gone wrong, but we now have proof that he has been brought to justice.

You gave the OK for the raid, Mr. President. Well done!

Peter Taylor

Maryland

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Someone mentioned that Osama bin Laden will go down as a military genius.

I don’t think so. That is the spin the Jihadists want you to think.

He disturbed a sleeping tiger at a mouse fight on 911. He was a monster and a fool.

Peter Taylor

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Peter:

Brant's point, which I concur with, and Michael Vlahos here, at the US Naval War College, also concurs with is that:

1) it drew the US, the Great Satan, into the bear trap;

2) 46,000 casualties later we are trapped;

3) the spending on the war(s) which is "off budget" has critically weakened the US economy; and

4) our military is overextended and wearing down under a multiple front war with an asymmetrical adversary.

And there is much more. I would refer you to Vlahos' books and articles.

Adam

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Ding-Dong he's gone. All analysis aside, I say we raise a toast and do a happy dance!

Kat

It's a pretty good day to be a munchkin!

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Someone mentioned that Osama bin Laden will go down as a military genius.

I don't think so. That is the spin the Jihadists want you to think.

He disturbed a sleeping tiger at a mouse fight on 911. He was a monster and a fool.

Apparently it's not Bin Laden that was the brains, but Ayman al Zawahiri.

--Brant

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[...] I say we raise a toast and do a happy dance!

I say we contemplate the State-worship involved in blindly praising an assassination.

I say we consider that getting what "we," our imperial instrumentalities, "want" may be far from an unalloyed virtue.

I say we think about how many lives have been lost, dreams shattered, limbs severed, treasures squandered — in trying to control these countries, in their blowing the winds back upon us, in pushing the whirlwind toward them again, all while increasing the powers we grant the State on each go-round.

I say that we refrain from acting like the

who formed a mob last night in front of the White House.

I say we consider whether we want to submit to continuing to have our phones tapped and our children molested, all to keep up this Crusade.

I say all this knowing that because I'm raining on their Happy Dance, Kat or Michael may well decide to put me on moderation again. I really don't give a damn any more.

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[...] I say we raise a toast and do a happy dance!

I say we contemplate the State-worship involved in blindly praising an assassination.

I say we consider that getting what "we," our imperial instrumentalities, "want" may be far from an unalloyed virtue.

I say we think about how many lives have been lost, dreams shattered, limbs severed, treasures squandered — in trying to control these countries, in their blowing the winds back upon us, in pushing the whirlwind toward them again, all while increasing the powers we grant the State on each go-round.

I say that we refrain from acting like the

who formed a mob last night in front of the White House.

I say we consider whether we want to submit to continuing to have our phones tapped and our children molested, all to keep up this Crusade.

I say all this knowing that because I'm raining on their Happy Dance, Kat or Michael may well decide to put me on moderation again. I really don't give a damn any more.

I say you should try to put things in context and relax a little bit.

Under your theory, nobody should enjoy anything, not even a child's birthday, because Lincoln suspended the writ of habeus corpus during the Civil War. Of course the world is still pretty fucked up. Does that mean we shouldn't be pleased on those occasions when the world just got a little better? For those not inclined to celebrate, I am sure Navy Seal Team 6 would prefer those so inclined would just say "thank you."

I am with Ghs on this one. Let everybody who wishes have a nice celebration, even those frat boys who have no idea what it means to walk into a military recruiter's office. Big deal. They were never Navy Seal Team 6 material to begin with.

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Anyone who thinks that an event like this is worth "celebration" — or anything emotionally stronger than mild relief that a possibly necessary task, of preventing yet more bloodshed, was dealt with long after it should have been — is beyond my ability to persuade. So I won't try.

I'm not regretting he's dead. (If, on this latest of about ten proclamations, he actually is dead.) I'm disgusted at how all context is dropped for the sake of blood fervor that ends up supporting the State and its machinery. By alleged Objectivists, yet. (And it's ten times worse on Facebook. Even the makers of the Atlas movie are descending into mindless jingoism.)

So, please, remain pissed off at me for interfering with your "celebration." Get your vehemence rolling. I've long ago accepted the occasional role of heaving a few dead cats of reality into the sanctuary of righteous vengeance.

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Anyone who thinks that an event like this is worth "celebration" — or anything emotionally stronger than mild relief that a possibly necessary task, of preventing yet more bloodshed, was dealt with long after it should have been — is beyond my ability to persuade. So I won't try.

Steve,

So why are you trying?

I see a consistency issue between what you say and what you are doing.

Michael

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Anyone who thinks that an event like this is worth "celebration" — or anything emotionally stronger than mild relief that a possibly necessary task, of preventing yet more bloodshed, was dealt with long after it should have been — is beyond my ability to persuade. So I won't try.

I'm not regretting he's dead. (If, on this latest of about ten proclamations, he actually is dead.) I'm disgusted at how all context is dropped for the sake of blood fervor that ends up supporting the State and its machinery. By alleged Objectivists, yet. (And it's ten times worse on Facebook. Even the makers of the Atlas movie are descending into mindless jingoism.)

So, please, remain pissed off at me for interfering with your "celebration." Get your vehemence rolling. I've long ago accepted the occasional role of heaving a few dead cats of reality into the sanctuary of righteous vengeance.

I'm not pissed off at you, and I am not, by the way, "celebrating" OBL's death.

I am simply pointing out that the logic of your argument is that nobody should ever celebrate anything, which is why I suggested that you should "relax." That is all. The world can be a pretty bleak place, and there aren't that many unalloyed "good news" events out there. Many men and women who voluntarily joined our military made a day like yesterday possible. Some of them died because of this asshole. Why rain on the celebrations/parades of those who wish to celebrate the unalloyed good news that this asshole is dead, especially given the sacrifices necessary to make such a thing happen?

The fact that you wrote your earlier post in such a way as to stake out the moral high ground on this fairly straightforward matter is the only reason I thought your post in need of a reply.

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Steve, I take it you're not dancing and don't care for a drink. Suit yourself.

I don't like these seemingly endless wars either, but I do like to see evil lose. Score one for the USA.

Cheers!

Kat

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Anyone who thinks that an event like this is worth "celebration" — or anything emotionally stronger than mild relief that a possibly necessary task, of preventing yet more bloodshed, was dealt with long after it should have been — is beyond my ability to persuade. So I won't try.

I'm not regretting he's dead. (If, on this latest of about ten proclamations, he actually is dead.) I'm disgusted at how all context is dropped for the sake of blood fervor that ends up supporting the State and its machinery. By alleged Objectivists, yet. (And it's ten times worse on Facebook. Even the makers of the Atlas movie are descending into mindless jingoism.)

So, please, remain pissed off at me for interfering with your "celebration." Get your vehemence rolling. I've long ago accepted the occasional role of heaving a few dead cats of reality into the sanctuary of righteous vengeance.

I'm not pissed off at you, and I am not, by the way, "celebrating" OBL's death.

I am simply pointing out that the logic of your argument is that nobody should ever celebrate anything, which is why I suggested that you should "relax." That is all. The world can be a pretty bleak place, and there aren't that many unalloyed "good news" events out there. Many men and women who voluntarily joined our military made a day like yesterday possible. Some of them died because of this asshole. Why rain on the celebrations/parades of those who wish to celebrate the unalloyed good news that this asshole is dead, especially given the sacrifices necessary to make such a thing happen?

The fact that you wrote your earlier post in such a way as to stake out the moral high ground on this fairly straightforward matter is the only reason I thought your post in need of a reply.

Of the thousands of American soldiers killed and wounded in wars fought since 9/11, almost none of them suffered this fate because of "this asshole" Bin Laden. The majority of casualties have been in Iraq, a war fought for reasons having absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 but using 9/11 as a justification by a bunch of sociopaths who were looking for an excuse to invade Iraq. It is not Bin Laden who was responsible for their deaths and injuries. The responsibility lies instead with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and the various other architects of this criminal war. These sociopaths are also responsible for the death of at least 100,000 Iraqis, but who cares about them anyway? They will certainly not get any justice as the victims of Bush and his cronies, who will live out their lives in oppulent luxury.

None of these sacrifices were necessary to bring about Bin Laden's death. There were previous opportunities many years ago to have Bin Laden killed, which have been well documented. So go ahead and celebrate the fact that this asshole is now dead. No changes in U.S. foreign policy will occur as a result of this, any more than the defense budget was cut after the collapse of the Soviet Union, mocking those who actually were hoping that there would be a "peace dividend" associated with the Soviet Union's collapse. Instead, the defense budget reached new, unprecedented heights, and new missions were created for Nato to justify its existence after the very reason for its existence, protection against the Soviet Union, was no more. The U.S. will continue fighting multiple wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, and wherever else the murderer in chief decides to keep launching new wars. The powers enshrined in the government by the Patriot Act will never go away. The TSA will continue to abuse passengers at airports. And the DHS will continue to give its best effort to scaring the shit out of as many Americans as it can, for reasons long ago documented by Mencken.

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I was just thinking if they’d only killed him one day earlier, his date of death would have coincided with Hitler’s. Instead, it coincides with Goebbel’s. Oh well, either one makes for a good date for evil people to die on.

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Here's a cool byproduct.

Osama bin Laden raid yields trove of computer data

by Mike Allen

May 2, 2011

Politico

From the article:

The assault force of Navy SEALs snatched a trove of computer drives and disks during their weekend raid on Osama bin Laden's compound, yielding what a U.S. official called "the mother lode of intelligence."

The special operations forces grabbed personal computers, thumb drives and electronic equipment during the lightning raid that killed bin Laden, officials told POLITICO.

"They cleaned it out," one official said. "Can you imagine what's on Osama bin Laden's hard drive?"

It just keeps getting better and better.

Michael

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Martin: sorry if calling OBL an asshole offended you. Maybe when you consider what used to be the World Trade Center your umbrage will die down a bit.

You really ought to learn to read more carefully. Nowhere did I say or imply that I was offended by you calling OBL an asshole. In fact, I happen to agree with you that OBL is an asshole and, presumably, a mass murderer. My point was that OBL was not responsible for the thousands of deaths and injuries suffered by American soldiers in the wars that followed 9/11, as you stated. It was not OBL who ordered the invasion of Iraq with over a hundred thousand soldiers. It was not OBL who ordered the invasion of Afghanistan, a war that was allegedly fought to kill OBL but that has turned into the longest war ever fought by the U.S., with no end in sight. OBL was responsible for the death of about 3,000 Americans. George W. Bush was responsible for the death of more American soldiers than that, not to mention at least 100,000 Iraqis who have died in the war. OBL is now dead. George W. Bush lives on in luxury, with a lifetime of taxpayer provided secret service protection. OBL has received the ultimate justice for his crimes. George W. Bush will never have to face justice for his crimes.

Martin

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Obama did not want to leave a shrine for Islamists to celebrate bin Laden's "martyrdom." I think this was wise.

Yeah I know, I’m just having fun with it. This is one of those rare cases where someone’s death is a cause for celebration, with no need to be respectful.

Tinkering. Nothing but tinkering. Bin Laden is a legend in his own time and he'll go down in history as a great mujahid. No shrine is needed.

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