BaalChatzaf Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Have the Learned Elders of Zion tried to cheat or otherwise harm S.B. What is is problem. S.B. does not have to worry about getting polio or his kids getting. Two Jews solved that problem for him.If he ever goes blind (G-D forbid!) he can use a seeing device just invented by an Israeli Jews to help him get around. As far as I can tell, Jews (on balance) have made positive contributions to the societies in which they dwell. Ba'al Chatzaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginny Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 You want an answer for ignorance? Even the Jews haven't solved that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Baratheon Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Since Serapis Bey's earlier discussion of Jews and antisemitism was moved to the garbage pile, I think it's only appropriate that this topic be moved to the garbage pile as well, since this topic really only serves to taunt him and invite a prohibited response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginny Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 No, Robert, it is a Jewish forum member trying to understand that sort of thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Whatever his problem is, the way he frames it is not welcome here.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serapis Bey Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 I don't have a problem with Jews per se, although I can understand why some here have that impression. As a critic/cynic, I pretty much have problems with everyone. ;)Growing up, I never gave Jews a second thought, and my only education about their history revolved around the Holocaust. In the past few years however I have gone down the "rabbit hole" and absorbed loads of information I would never have known about otherwise. I find the whole "Jewish Question" fascinating on a purely intellectual level -- ethologically, psychologically, politically, etc. The appeal to me is only amplified by its taboo nature. As someone who prides himself on his critical thinking, it was very much an enjoyable "puzzle" to suss out.As for why I seem to single them out on this forum: the discussion of various ethnic groups and their behavior always has at least some relevance to political discussions, and there are places in Objectivism-Land where such discussion takes place. For instance, the topic of African American social pathology and their elevated rates of violent crime has been noted elsewhere, and we see the hotheads over at SOLO-P kvetching about the Muslims. But nowhere do we find a similar discussion about Jews. That topic seems to be off-limits EVERYWHERE. I figure it is only fair to shine a spotlight on the one group who seem to be above reproach -- especially since their influence is one very significant force-vector (among many) on the world chessboard. I don't feel nearly as squeamish talking about Jews as I do when discussing, say, Blacks or Mexicans, and that is because the latter groups are not frequently in privileged positions. Jews on the other hand are very often standing at the levers of power and living quite comfortably. They can (or should be) able to take the heat.In addition, there is an ornery part of my nature that when told to "shut up," merely doubles down on its efforts. As far as I can tell, Jews (on balance) have made positive contributions to the societies in which they dwell.I think the question of that balance is a valid topic of discussion. Others don't seem to think so. Mark has noted the major negatives in his "Recrud" post. As an Objectivish person, I certainly don't share the common human failing of feeling envy at successful people in society (one of several reasons for anti-semitism), but when you look at the historical record: ]...the "yur just JEALUS" defense starts to wear a little thin.Something else is going on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 I don't feel nearly as squeamish talking about Jews as I do when discussing, say, Blacks or Mexicans, and that is because the latter groups are not frequently in privileged positions.SB,What a load of crap.It's because Jews put up with it or respond intellectually. Blacks or Mexicans will fuck you up if they get real offended by bigotry.That's the reason. You can get away with it.Well not here on OL.If this thread keeps descending into the collectivist bigotry swamp the others have, I will not just throw it in the Garbage Pile. I will delete it.Go talk that garbage elsewhere. I don't want it here.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuturistNow Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 It's because Jews put up with it or respond intellectually. Blacks or Mexicans will fuck you up if they get real offended by bigotry.So SB is the racist here? Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 So SB is the racist here? Lol. Not racist.Bigot.But I am a conceptual thinker, not a mighty warrior of gotcha semantics.And this thread is closed.The more we give water to this friggin' weed, the more it grows.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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