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Tony, strong comment. What kinds of refugees reach RSA and what is their reception?

I can pivot to legal immigration to Canada, or to illegal immigration to Canada, and I can pivot to the problems of an even larger term, migration. I was speculating on refugees in Canada, suggesting they implant best of all categories of migrants. This doesn't mean that there is not an equal implantation success in first and second generation 'legal' ... individuals.

I have known plenty of white (and a few black) folk who have come to BC from the RSA. The advantage they have is education and language ability in English. The language impediment is the first challenge of all newcomers, and when it is cleared, integration is easier. My family on all sides came from the Old Country not much more than a hundred years ago. We assimilated relatively quickly and prospered in time, each succeeding generation livings its dreams.

Of the 'implantation' of refugees, or assimilation (in the non-Borg sense) of 'New Canadians' I gave no examples above.

Some of this became apparent to me when Pierre Trudeau died. I found quite surprising and moving the number of 'visible minorities' who came to witness his cortege or otherwise mourn publicly, It was a moment of cultural adhesion to Canada for them, symbolic -- they identified their freedoms with the modern nation with the man, with loyalty to modern Canadian ideals. It was uncanny at times -- the symbol they held was the flag as the old man rolled on by. The symbols they spoke of were all permutations of freedom. They seemed prouder than I was to be Canadian, and I thenceforward rekindled my own attachments.

That's the kind of Pollyanna moment that may bias me. I do seek evidence of our knitting together a riot of differences. Patriotism is muted in Canada, and when it finds full throat it is often in the person of a former Them, now a proud Us. That's the context for my speculation about refugees to Canada exhibiting the best 'implant.' They have moved from homeless to home.


Things go wrong, and Them stay Them sometimes. We should understand both alienation and its opposite if we hope to avert or trap bad effects of in-migration of all forms.


My context is really only Canada, and by reflection some aspects of America. Every Canadian has witnessed but not felt the inspiring attachment to the flag and the republic for which it stands. We have seen US society change in similar ways to ours given modern colour-blind reforms to immigration, and our similar refugee settlement histories. We have kept our borders tidy and exclusive.

We are either the harbinger of awful things to come, a monstrous mestizo socialism, or just another country trying to assimilate newcomers as best we can. I had thought refugees were the last to implant deeply, to become attached to the abstract ideals, to identify and prove loyal to national concepts. Was I mostly wrong, or mostly right, or is it moot?

Greg snips me when he wants to agree with me. You snip me when you want to disagree with me.


I agree. Dontcha hate it when wisdom is ignored?

In-person discussion will have way more back-and-forth, back-ups, asides, recursion, queries and advances, pauses to explain. Forum splodges of text can be fisked or skimmed past. It's not a conversation. It's really up to selfish intent and willingness to engage, patience and tastes -- when we are interested in full engagement and when not. It looks like we have a mismatch of subject and interest. I am trying to keep a tight focus on a single line of thought and its ramifications, you are scatting on your own themes.

Agree?

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Immigration considered in its broader sense is one thing. Immigration in the context of a war with Islamic-fascism quite another. After Canada has its Pearl Harbor we may join in a mutual alliance to stomp it out while at the same time stomping out our own, home-grown fascism under different colors--for instance, socialism, Marxism, crony capitalism, welfare-statism, the regulatory state, communism--or whatever. In the meantime we shall never surrender . . .--until the North World comes to the aid of the South, with all its power and might.

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No, this is not a "fact" driven faculty lounge discussion.

 

Everyone knows what is actually occurring.

 

The San Francisco lady was the precipitate added into the liquid that crystallized the utter insanity of the status quo.

 

 

It is that simple.

 

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In-person discussion will have way more back-and-forth, back-ups, asides, recursion, queries and advances, pauses to explain. Forum splodges of text can be fisked or skimmed past. It's not a conversation. It's really up to selfish intent and willingness to engage, patience and tastes -- when we are interested in full engagement and when not. It looks like we have a mismatch of subject and interest. I am trying to keep a tight focus on a single line of thought and its ramifications, you are scatting on your own themes.

Agree?

No, this is not a "fact" driven faculty lounge discussion.

Right. It's an internet forum thread with multiple lines of argument, not all of which coincide or are interesting to other people. I'd say you agree with me that in-person discussion is different from these forum exchanges. That Brant and my exchanges are different from having a conversation.

Putting some context back in that you had snipped out. And removing that which relevance I don't grasp.

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Greg snips me when he wants to agree with me. You snip me when you want to disagree with me.

I agree. Dontcha hate it when wisdom is ignored?

In-person discussion will have way more back-and-forth, back-ups, asides, recursion, queries and advances, pauses to explain. Forum splodges of text can be fisked or skimmed past. It's not a conversation. It's really up to selfish intent and willingness to engage, patience and tastes -- when we are interested in full engagement and when not. It looks like we have a mismatch of subject and interest. I am trying to keep a tight focus on a single line of thought and its ramifications, you are scatting on your own themes.

Agree?

Now we're brain wrestling?

--Brant

searching for a devastating response: fuzzy-wussy liberal bureaucratic values (I should leave this sort of thing to The Master, Greg)

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Here's a puzzle.  Late-breaking polls of electoral intent in the Netherlands show slippage in support given to the Dutch Freedom Party (and its leader Geert Wilders).  The polls could be distinctly wrong, as they often are, or they could signal an actual dwindling taste for Wilder's policies.  We shall see ...

-- from Bloomberg Politics: Wilders Party Slumps in Shock Dutch Poll on Eve of Election

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The prospect that Geert Wilders might emerge as the winner of Wednesday’s Dutch election was thrown into doubt by a poll on the eve of voting that showed his Freedom Party slumping to fifth place.

The final poll from I&O Research showed Wilders’s party on 16 seats in the 150-member lower house of parliament. That was four seats less than in the previous I&O poll released Monday and compared with a high of 33 seats for the Freedom Party in December. Prime Minister Mark Rutte’s Liberals rose three seats from the previous poll to 27 seats in Tuesday’s survey. The centrist D66 party, the Greens and the Christian Democrats were all ahead of the anti-Islam, anti-European Union Freedom Party.

While the I&O survey could be an outlier, the bulk of the polling was conducted after a diplomatic dispute erupted over the weekend between the Netherlands and Turkey which Rutte was deemed to have handled well. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan accused the Dutch government of Nazi-like behavior after Rutte refused to let Turkish ministers address a pro-government rally in Rotterdam. Rutte sought to de-escalate the spat, while Wilders said he should have taken tougher action against Turkish diplomats.

-- for those who haven't been following the Turkey-Netherlands diplomatic spat, here is an explainer from the CBC's Nil Köksal:

Turkey vs. the Netherlands: Why are they fighting?
Turkey demanding apology after Netherlands bars ministers from holding rallies

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Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said the Turkish ministers could not come to campaign in his country. Turkey's foreign minister doubled down, essentially daring the Dutch government to stop him.

And so the Dutch did. On Saturday, they pulled the landing permission for the foreign minister's flight. They also physically blocked Turkish family minister Fatma Betul Sayan Kaya, who drove into the Netherlands, from going to the Turkish consulate in Rotterdam and sent her back to Turkey.

[...]

 

 

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A bit of a kerfuffle over the "other people's babies" comment from congressman Steve King. Geert Wilders is the touchstone:

Steve King Stuns Cuomo With Talk of ‘Intermarriage,’ Being a ‘Champion of Western Civilization,’ and More

 

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The spat slash crisis just became even more heated. The Turkish president seems mad, in both senses of the word.

He has just accused the Netherlands military of massacring 8,000 Bosnian Muslims at Srebrenica during Serbian ethnic cleansing.  The Dutch prime minister replied that this was a "disgusting falsification of history."  Gentlemen,  choose your weapons.

Turkey still wants to join the European Union. Heh.  With an all-powerful Presidency ushered in by a referendum slated for April 16, what confederation would want such a bizarre, authoritarian state led by an Islamist?  It just makes the prez seem driven by a deep-seated irrationalism, and driving the propaganda network supporting him into Dutch-European hate (I'll find a ridiculous photo of grim Turkish men sticking breadknives into oranges & insert here ...).  

Time to jail some more journalists and teacher, Mr Erdogan.  That'll show 'em.  Have a big rally and command the nation to follow you.

If the polls are correct (they aren't, but) then the crazypants Erdogan's escalation paints him even more darkly as an Islamist menace to the Dutch. You would expect (oh, would you?) that support for Wilders would escalate along with the spat's intensity. 

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Early exit-polls in Netherlands are showing some "Wow."

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Among the 'Wow' in the Dutch election is that turnout is estimated as the highest in 30 years, over 80%. 

Other 'Wow' is a surge in support for a young (part-Moroccan) 'Green' leader, Jesse Klaver -- if exit polls can be trusted. 

Another not-quite-wow is that the Geert Wilder's party PVV (Dutch Freedom) did not do quite as well as some folks expected. Whether the expectations were wrong, or the Turkey-Netherlands spat solidified support for the ruling coalition's prime minister, I don't know. 

So far there are no official totals.  Could be some more wow once the urns are emptied and hand-counted.

In the meantime, consider that there is one party called "Think" and another called "The Animal Party."

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