Shrinkiatry - Don't Nobody Ever Go To A Shrinkiatrist


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btw - I have a problem with the title of this thread. It's a conceptual precision thing.

If you use a phrase like "untold story" for presenting a story that has been told often, and by different groups, you are lying to the public. Call it hype, but it's still lying.

You discredit yourself without even trying.

After all, why should the reader trust a person's information when that person advertises it with a lie?

Michael

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btw - I have a problem with the title of this thread. It's a conceptual precision thing.

If you use a phrase like "untold story" for presenting a story that has been told often, and by different groups, you are lying to the public. Call it hype, but it's still lying.

You discredit yourself without even trying.

After all, why should the reader trust a person's information when that person advertises it with a lie?

Michael

The real problem for me is someone putting up very long videos few have any time to watch just on a weak say-so.

--Brant

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btw - I have a problem with the title of this thread. It's a conceptual precision thing.

If you use a phrase like "untold story" for presenting a story that has been told often, and by different groups, you are lying to the public. Call it hype, but it's still lying.

You discredit yourself without even trying.

After all, why should the reader trust a person's information when that person advertises it with a lie?

Michael

The real problem for me is someone putting up a very long video few have any time to watch especially on a weak say-so. It's the fallacy of argumentum your ignorance (for not having time to watch something that could be told in a few well written paragraphs but wasn't.)

--Brant

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"It's deja vu, all over again!"

After reading Michael's response, above, (with which I agree), it occurred to my pre(?)senile brain that we had covered this topic before. :unsure: Actually, many times on different threads.

So, I looked some up. Damned if I didn't find almost the same subject discussed by (some of) the same people, making the same points!

http://www.objectivistliving.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11937&hl=+l.%20+ron%20+hubbard#entry160712

Including, of course, me in #13 and again in # 18 of that thread. :blush: :blush: :blush:

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So, I looked some up. Damned if I didn't find almost the same subject discussed by (some of) the same people, making the same points!

http://www.objectivi...ard#entry160712

Jerry,

You are right.

There is no reason on earth to start a new thread about the same video that was the start of a previous thread. I'm merging these theads.

Michael

NOTE TO JTS: Please be considerate about blasting this kind of stuff over and over. It makes you high maintenance on the administrative side without any value in return. Keep it in balance (I mean it) and avoid presenting the same material over and over as if it were new and you will be fine.

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Carol,

I don't want to appear aggressive, but that's a hell of a thing to say to a person diagnosed with a terminal disease.

Michael

Yes, it is. And to be diagnosed with a disease and refuse to take medication for it,is a hell of a choice, one I have made myself.

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To feel compassion for the medical travails of fellow humans is not a political characteristic. Everyone feels it. But to use one's own travails as a springboard and platform for ideological agendas, does not inspire compassion; it is just part of the spin machine,

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I don't plan to be around when (and if) the worst comes. When I was diagnosed with a terminal disease in 2000 I didn't expect to be alive in 2012. I am in no physical condition to do much and it doesn't matter anyway.

[ . . . ] I do avoid the glutamate and the aspartame and the fluoride and the GE foods and all meds.

Jts probably just forgot that he had already posted the video and had the same conversation as before. That is because he refuses to take his meds
And here I thought the avowed socialists were the compassionate ones.

Jerry does not give details of his punishing illness here, but interesteed parties have read of a "Jerry Story" and his statements against glutamates and aspartame and for natural "hygiene." If this is the same Jerry, I can understand why Jerry does not use his diagnosis in discussion, and I share a certain distaste for Carol's remarks -- but only if Jerry had not introduced 'not taking meds' ... in the context of his ongoing information collages about natural health, I will leave it up to Jerry if he wants to bring his disease to the forefront. He has my great sympathy for his suffering, and I hope he can maintain his plateaux for as long as possible. There are bright lights in the world who have somehow survived the odds and remained mentally productive in their deepest disability, others who plead for assistance to end it all, and others who maintain a community of the expected-to-die.

I have been attendant on a dying person. You are not there yet, Jerry! So, snatch that tomato or grape, with our help, as long as it pleases you and as long as you can. Courage, Canuck.

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He has my great sympathy for his suffering, and I hope he can maintain his plateaux for as long as possible. There are bright lights in the world who have somehow survived the odds and remained mentally productive in their deepest disability, others who plead for assistance to end it all, and others who maintain a community of the expected-to-die.

I have been attendant on a dying person. You are not there yet, Jerry! So, snatch that tomato or grape, with our help, as long as it pleases you and as long as you can. Courage, Canuck.

D'accord, Guillaume.

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William,

Actually he did share his story here on OL, but I have to go out right now and don't have time to look up the link. If you want to look it up, here's a hint. I posted a reply to it, saying that's one hell of a story or something like that.

It might not have been evident to folks in general because it seemed like a nutrition thread, if I remember correctly.

Michael

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When I was in medical school my class was taught the Freudian Theory despite opposition and criticism by classmates who were well versed in psychology. My background at the time was in science and math as well as engineering so I watched and listened. The chairman of the department was a Freudian who thought we should be exposed to it but he was open enough to have hired a psychologist to talk with us immediately after the chairman's lectures. The psychologist demonstrated the fact that the Freudian premises we had been taught were not universal or not true in studies done in university settings. I decided that as fascinating as psychiatry was that I would not become a psychiatrist.

I even enrolled in the last of the rotating internships and did not bother to rotate through psychiatry,just everything else. It is all rather appealing, obstetrics, surgery, medicine, pediatrics, cardiology, endocrinology, gastroenterology, orthopedics, neurology, etc.

The war was raging in Vietnam which would have been an opportunity if I were interested in surgery. I discovered that unless one was accepted for a residency deferment one would be drafted and end up in a battalion aide station in Nam. I applied for a three year deferment in Radiology and was accepted. I enjoyed my first year of residency and encountered a colleague who was involved in an argument about ethics with others.

He said that no man's need constitutes an obligation on the part of another man to fulfill that need which caused another to hit the ceiling. After the dust settled I asked him to elaborate. He took my interest to be a request for proof and told me that in order to derive that statement he would have to start with two axiomatic concepts and we would have to agree on certain laws of logic.

After reading Atlas Shrugged at his suggestion and The Objectivist Newsletter I came across the works of Nathaniel Branden, read them and did some soul searching about how I wanted to spend my life after having finished medical school and a year of residency. I decided to switch career paths and had my number pushed up with the military. That was 44 years ago.

I have seen psychotropic medications work in psychotic, manic and depressed patients. I have seen electroconvulsive treatments used in cases where all else failed. I have also seen patients labeled as schizophrenic or manic or bipolar by other doctors and I disagree. Sometimes I have had the opportunity to change the medications others have prescribed. The meds do have their place.

Still at it.

Branden's ideas have been useful in understanding patients although he didn't deal with psychotic patients except those who sought him out in his group therapy sessions. Naturally he didn't prescribe medications himself.

I have never had regrets about my choice of career and find every day to be filled with challenges.

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Actually he did share his story here on OL, but I have to go out right now and don't have time to look up the link. If you want to look it up, here's a hint. I posted a reply to it, saying that's one hell of a story or something like that.

It might not have been evident to folks in general because it seemed like a nutrition thread, if I remember correctly.

I missed this entirely:

In April 2000, I was falsely diagnosed with ALS (the same disease that Stephen Hawking has). According to statistics I had 90% probability of leaving planet earth again within 5 years of diagnosis. Six years later, April 2006, they changed the diagnosis. It's not ALS. It's a spinal cord tumor in the neck, found by MRI. It causes weakness neck down. The surgeon didn't want to do the surgery because it was too dangerous and I didn't want to push my luck so the surgery was not done. As near as I can tell the tumor seems to not be growing. I minimize pro-tumor things and maximize anti-tumor things, and that seems to be at least enough to prevent the tumor from growing. I had a tumor on a foot for some years and in April 2009 it disappeared in a few days. I have a funny notion in my head that maybe the same thing could happen to the spinal cord tumor. If not, I figure if the tumor doesn't kill me, I will live until I die.
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Carol,

I don't want to appear aggressive, but that's a hell of a thing to say to a person diagnosed with a terminal disease.

Michael

I was not under the impression that he had a terminal disease, but that he had been falsely diagnosed with one, although his most recent post does give the impression that the diagnosis was correct,

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