St. Louis riots and looting


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Hey, folks I knew in Harlem in the late '60s called it shopping.

My father had a truly difficult time trying to rationally figure out why there would be snipers, Molotov cocktail throwers and much worse waiting to ambush his men, in 1968, who were firefighters, that did not carry weapons, weren't serving warrants and trying to save lives.

He was an amazingly open minded man and he and I came up with some uncomfortable conclusions.

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Wolf...when the land is covered from north to south and east to west with "laws," everyone is an outlaw.

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when the land is covered from north to south and east to west with "laws," everyone is an outlaw.

?? - That went over my head; I'm not clever enough to get what you said.

when the land is covered from north to south and east to west with "laws," everyone is an outlaw.

?? - That went over my head; I'm not clever enough to get what you said.

"The land" = the country/state etc.

Sorry to be obscure, just rushing to get some work done.

Similar to any statist centralized tyranny, soft, or, hard, is the sanction of the victim.

The concept is that you cannot possibly obey all the laws today. Therefore, you have to live in fear that you "broke" a regulation, law, etc.

They contradict each other and move from the administrative state, to the civil, to the criminal.

I haven't had the time to look into this Pennsylvania woman, who is licensed to carry in the State of Pennsylvania, however, New Jersey has a Federally unconstitutional State law that has her facing up to three (3) years in jail.

Brant addressed this in other OL posts about New Jersey.

My point is, for example, the way Rearden became an "outlaw" because the land [= country/state] was covered with contradictory laws. It was only when he realized the source of the guilt that he had the opportunity to free himself. Nice in a novel, not necessarily something I would suggest a client decide to do.

Are we that far removed from that condition today?

I think not.

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Rioting? Looting? How prejudiced! It is a third world shopping spree.

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Wow, really?

It is called shopping.

Same actions as in the late 60's.

It is just the way it is.

Was it Carnegie that said, when there is blood in the street, it is time to make profit!

And all the structural operational businesses in "those" areas that have existed for decades just do not exist?

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I take away a different lesson from this. The warning is clear:

Don't live in a city.

Greg

Excuse me Greg, was that what you took away from any of my posts?

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I take away a different lesson from this. The warning is clear:

Don't live in a city.

Greg

Excuse me Greg, was that what you took away from any of my posts?

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Not at all, Adam. Just from the actual situation itself, not from your experiences or comments.

I was working downtown when the Los Angeles Riots broke out in 1992. It was truly surreal trying to make my way home that day. It looked like the city had been bombed.

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Not at all, Adam. Just from the actual situation itself, not from your experiences or comments.

I was working downtown when the Los Angeles Riots broke out in 1992. It was truly surreal trying to make my way home that day. It looked like the city had been bombed.

Kinda thought so, however, I just wanted to confirm it.

As to your 1992 "experience" which to marxist media would today be your oppressive white racist stance that is opposed to looting,

I intend to develop this in an essay, lol.

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I take away a different lesson from this. The warning is clear:

Don't live in a city.

Greg

Excuse me Greg, was that what you took away from any of my posts?

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Not at all, Adam. Just from the actual situation itself, not from your experiences or comments.

I was working downtown when the Los Angeles Riots broke out in 1992. It was truly surreal trying to make my way home that day. It looked like the city had been bombed.

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As Mel Brooks said in "Blazing Saddles: Schwartzers!!! Losem geh!"

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I take away a different lesson from this. The warning is clear:

Don't live in a city.

Greg

Excuse me Greg, was that what you took away from any of my posts?

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Not at all, Adam. Just from the actual situation itself, not from your experiences or comments.

I was working downtown when the Los Angeles Riots broke out in 1992. It was truly surreal trying to make my way home that day. It looked like the city had been bombed.

AFP_Getty-510578899.jpg

As Mel Brooks said in "Blazing Saddles: Schwartzers!!! Losem geh!"

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The name of the officer who shot Michael Brown is Darren Wilson.

Here's what I got on a Google image search:

DWilson.jpg

If you go to the site where the image is hosted by clicking the "Visit page" button, you get this article from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch from 2013:

Black officers call for changes to ease racial tension in St. Louis police

It seems like the above image of Darren Wilson with the caption identifying him has been scrubbed from the article. It's hard to find images of this guy right now.

Also, it's all over the news. Michael Brown stole a box of cigars from a convenience store (he's even on video) and that's why the police officer, Darren Wilson, stopped him in the first place.

Michael

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Everyone is being played on this one..

I started to get suspicious when the media pushed that he was in ROTC ... physically did not match the image.

Then the idea that the first shot was allegedly inside the police vehicle...hmm

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A story just out in the International Business Times says the Ethical Society of Police president and 18-year veteran of the Saint Louis Police Department, Darren R Wilson, is not the same Darren Wilson who works for the Ferguson police (who has worked for them over six years):

The Ferguson officer, however, is not -- contrary to some Twitter photos and social media speculation -- the Darren R. Wilson of the nearby St. Louis police department, an African-American and president of the Ethical Society of Police. The Ethical Society of Police have released a statement confirming that.

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Dayaamm!

There goes my chance to blow the dog-whistle of racism to my secret tribe.

:)

I wonder if the shooter Darren Wilson is transgender...

:)

I shouldn't be joking, but I despise the current widespread culture of always withholding selective information in order to promote agendas. Not saying that was this case, but maybe it was, too.

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as you should ...he looks like a thug...apparently blunts are us...I have no problem with this view...

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I shouldn't be joking, but I despise the current widespread culture of always withholding selective information in order to promote agendas. Not saying that was this case, but maybe it was, too.

Did you read Rand Paul's opinion piece in Time magazine? It looks like he is establishing his own gravitas as a libertarian. Here's an excerpt, below.

The Washington Post featured Volokh Conspiracy blog also covers libertarian reactions, and gives some shit to liberal tropes and cant -- "Libertarians have been anything but silent about police abuses in Ferguson, Missouri."

CATO has been seeding the news media with its take on militarization of police forces; I didn't know how much energy CATO had been contributing to debate on your media down there. See their video highlights page.

When you couple this militarization of law enforcement with an erosion of civil liberties and due process that allows the police to become judge and jury—national security letters, no-knock searches, broad general warrants, pre-conviction forfeiture—we begin to have a very serious problem on our hands.

Given these developments, it is almost impossible for many Americans not to feel like their government is targeting them. Given the racial disparities in our criminal justice system, it is impossible for African-Americans not to feel like their government is particularly targeting them.

This is part of the anguish we are seeing in the tragic events outside of St. Louis, Missouri. It is what the citizens of Ferguson feel when there is an unfortunate and heartbreaking shooting like the incident with Michael Brown.

Anyone who thinks that race does not still, even if inadvertently, skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention. Our prisons are full of black and brown men and women who are serving inappropriately long and harsh sentences for non-violent mistakes in their youth.

The militarization of our law enforcement is due to an unprecedented expansion of government power in this realm. It is one thing for federal officials to work in conjunction with local authorities to reduce or solve crime. It is quite another for them to subsidize it.

For a bit of bitter humour, we have the Onion's "Tips For Being An Unarmed Black Teen" ...

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This entire adventure, on top of the Zimmerman matter, seems to have, coincidentally, attracted the exact same lawyer to work with the similar families.

I wonder how that happens.

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Everyone is being played on this one..

I started to get suspicious when the media pushed that he was in ROTC ... physically did not match the image.

Rather than everyone being played, I see it more as us being snowed under by facts, factoids, false facts and churning speculation. Check out the animated map below that depicts the explosion of discussion on Twitter following Brown's death and the initial arson and confrontation on the streets. I point to this only to remark upon how news stories can be accompanied by storms of attention, opinion and dross. This is via one of my favourite sites, CityLab.

How news of #Ferguson spread across Twitter

-- to the 'looks like thug' meme, there is also a sad/funny accompanying Twitter meme #IfTheyGunnedMeDown which picture would they use? (NSFW)

eg, godzilla_Gunned_Down.jpg

Then the idea that the first shot was allegedly inside the police vehicle...hmm

Yeah. The cops say struggle for gun. The witnesses say ...

as you should ...he looks like a thug...apparently blunts are us...I have no problem with this view...

The dead guy "looks like a thug"? Perhaps. Can you explain "blunts are us"? I only know blunts to be a style of marijuana cigarette. I don't know if you mean 'Thug got killed. No prob' or something more nuanced.

I hope we don't become like Greg -- thinking that everybody gets what they deserve as a function of a well-ordered moral universe.

That could mean we are primed to accept a patchy police version of events (or inclined to take the witness testimony without salt or cynicism). I don't think we have enough details from that side to ponder that version's overall accuracy. In this case the companion of Brown acknowledges the robbery of the cigarillos. But he and the other witness say at least four shots were fired, one of which was in Brown's back, one of which was when he had hands in the air.

The police story does not detail how many shots were fired. They should know this. The police have spoken of the initial autopsy, and let us know that Brown's body shows gunshot wounds, but not how many and not if any were in the back. It should not take a month to figure this out, in my opinion.

I think one way of being played by information is trying to achieve a firm conclusion with not enough information. I don't know enough to conclude that Brown's death was anything other than justified, but I also can't yet conclude the shooting was justified and that the police are being forthright and straight with the public.

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"The witnesses...?" <there were more than one (1)?

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