Daily Kos, Islam and Loonwatch


Richard Wiig

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(Note from MSK: I changed the title before approving this thread. The original title was a childish slur against OL members.)

Independent thought on jihad and Islam at the Daily Kos

Recently two extraordinary articles have appeared at the Daily Kos -- extraordinary because, to the rage and dismay of many of that site's commenters and regular readers -- they depart from the standard Leftist line that Islamic jihad violence has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam, even if jihadists invoke Islamic texts and teachings to justify that violence, and that only greasy Islamophobes think otherwise.

The articles are "Loonwatch.com and Radical Islam" and "How and Why Loonwatch.com is a Terrorist Spin Control Network," both by Eric Allen Bell, who is so far from being a "right-wing Islamophobe" that he made a documentary about the "Islamophobia" supposedly being suffered by the proponents of a huge new mosque in Murfreesboro, Tennessee -- and is far enough to the Left to get space to write at the Daily Kos.

Yet Bell had the intellectual honesty to make this entirely true observation about the hate and defamation site that is the subject of his pieces: "But for LoonWatch.com any criticism of the Koran or of violent Jihad - even those criticisms that might have some legitimacy to them - even of radical Islam, are branded as Islamophobia and anyone who dares to raise questions about the nearly constant acts of Jihad going on increasingly around the world today is labeled a 'Loon' - thus the title of their blog, LoonWatch.com."

Since I am the subject of obsessive attention at Loonwatch, I am mentioned in the original article as well as in the followup, which Bell wrote after Islamic supremacists and their Leftist tools rounded upon him with predictable and ludicrous charges that he is a right-wing anti-Muslim bigot. I have a few disagreements with his view of me and of the jihad threat in general. He says I have some kind of religious agenda here, which anyone who reads this site will know is false. While I am a religious believer, Jihad Watch is not a religious apologetics site, but a non-sectarian site seeking to provide the context for a broad coalition of people of all perspectives -- atheists, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims of conscience -- who are threatened by Islamic jihad. He dismissively distances himself from my colleague Pamela Geller, ignoring her courageous and pioneering work in, among many other things, raising awareness about the human rights abuses in Islamic law, such as honor killing and the death penalty for apostasy. And he seems to be a bit credulous in accepting the smooth deceptions of Muslim Brotherhood-linked forces behind the building of many mega-mosques around the country, and about the stealth jihad in general.

Nonetheless, I was intrigued by Bell's capacity for independent thought, which is such a rare commodity these days, and willingness to acknowledge that there is a problem within Islam, which is even rarer, so I sent him a note, telling him: "I predict that you will not find anyone on the Left who will be willing to consider the 'correlation between some of the violent passages in the Koran and the Hadiths and many of the acts of brutality being carried out by radical Muslims in the world' [that's a quote from one of his Kos pieces]. However, I do not now and never have considered my work 'right-wing': if defending civilized values against institutionalized violence and religiously justified savagery is 'right-wing,' the Left has a great deal to answer for."

I got this email back from Eric Allen Bell, and he has kindly allowed me to publish it here:

Mr. Spencer -

Very good to hear from you. I made a short documentary called "Not Welcome" (
http://www.NotWelcomeDocumentary.com
) regarding the backlash against construction of a mosque in Murfreesboro, TN. What inspired me to make that film was the same feeling I have now about what is going on in the greater Islamic world. It was my conscience - a sense of justice.

That said, in the process I absorbed a whole lot of information from traditionally liberal sources. I have only recently come around to a hopefully more expansive point of view. When I finally read one of your books for the first time, I kept waiting for the part where you would prove yourself to be a "Loon" so that I could stop reading, but that never happened
:smile:

I watched the documentary, "Islam: What the West Needs to Know" and wanted so badly to prove wrong what I had seen and heard - but I could not. This was not only humbling but it has caused me to really rethink and rethink the possibility that perhaps the truth is not politically correct.

And more is still being revealed. When I made "Not Welcome" most of the arguments against Islam I heard among the people of Murfreesboro, TN were religiously motivated. People would actually say to me that "America is a Christian nation" and they believed it said this in the Bible. The leaders of the movement were Christian Zionists. It was ugly, and yet their concerns were not entirely unfounded.

So I decided to keep the focus of the film on America and look for ways to convey a message about what I perceive to be a real enemy at home. At that time I did not perceive a real threat to America in the way of "creeping Sharia" and so I left that alone.

But as I watch with great disappointment the developments that have followed the so-called "Arab Spring" I am very, very concerned. Islamism is clearly on the rise, they have weapons, they are not rational and I am concerned.

It means a lot to me to hear from you directly like this. I apologize if in fact I have mis-characterized where you are coming from. In my own defense, the anti-mosque crowd in Murfreesboro, TN were a very nasty bunch - and they love JihadWatch ;) So, perhaps I wrongly judged you by some of them, and if that is the case I am very sorry. I will continue to read your blog and continue to research.

I admire your courage and conviction in being one of the only truth tellers out there about the dangers of Islam, your willingness to use your name and put your picture on your blog, your fearlessness in posting the Mohammed cartoon.

Please feel free to contact me anytime. My sense is that this war of words with Loonwatch (who now have several Islamic websites backing them up and putting my name out on the street) has only just begun.

Peace,

Eric Allen Bell

On a related note, Loonwatch's chief figure, "Danios," has just passed up no fewer than four separate opportunities to debate me -- three hosted at universities and one on ABN -- despite his years of bravado and false claims that I was ducking him. He claimed he wanted to debate the laughable thesis that Judaism and Christianity are just as violent as Islam -- as if armed terror groups worldwide were justifying killing people by quoting the words of Moses and Jesus, killing apostates from Judaism and Christianity, boasting about the imminent conquest and subjugation of non-Jewish and non-Christian lands, etc.

But although I was agreeable and he was full of false bluster about how I was avoiding debating him, ultimately he was too afraid to step up and actually agree to a debate. And I don't really mind, for while it would have been satisfying to defeat him, I doubt anyone would have been enlightened by a couple of hours of him calling me fat, ugly, stupid, and evil, which Reza Aslan-like spittle is essentially all that he and his site can muster in response to the truths I present. They can't actually refute them.

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Richard:

You do see the difference in the semantic that Spencer uses compared to yours...correct?

This is an extremely important article to learn from.

Adam

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I don’t get it. Infidel posts a Robert Spencer article verbatim, about feuds between Loonwatch, Jihadwatch, and Daily Kos. So what?

ND:

I think Richard is attempting to indirectly validate his point of view by linkage to Spencer and the validation of Spencer by Bell.

A long way to go to walk around the block to knock on the door you were standing in front of in my view.

Adam

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Spencer? I know a “Spencer.”

The “Spencer For Hire,” series by Robert B. Parker is an example of an honorable person who will go to great lengths to accomplish a mission, while never doing a dishonorable deed. Spencer would instantly hand back a retaining fee to the person hiring him and switch allegiances to the other warring camp, if he discovers he has been lied to. If the other faction has Right on its side then that is where our hero will be. His morality is absolute.

Contrast that to this tempest in a teapot thread about those disgusting Islamists. I look at those bug infested jerks and I want to wash my hands. They are unclean.

Semper cogitans fidele,

Peter Taylor

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I haven’t read the articles but want to comment on this reference by Robert Spencer (an associate of David Horowitz):

"... the standard Leftist line that Islamic jihad violence has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam"

That’s a strawman. Obviously Islamic jihad violence has something to do with Islam, duh.

What some people do say is that the Islamic religion was not the primary cause of 9-11.

And why focus on leftists? Some anti-leftists say the same thing.

Those who think the Islamic religion motivated 9-11 might explain the following: The Islamic religion existed in 1950, and in 1950 there was no Islamic jihad violence directed against America.

"They hate us because we’re free" has got to be the last word in jingoism. It’s analogous to the big lie: so silly people think there must be something to it.

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You spoil all my fun. It was only a slur against some OL members. Doctor doesn't get it. I posted it for those who are enamoured with Loonwatch, who seem to think it is a good source of information - when it suits them. There's no point in me discussing it though, because I don't have a voice here.

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<i>I think Richard is attempting to indirectly validate his point of view by linkage to Spencer and the validation of Spencer by Bell.</i>

No. I'm merely posting it for the benefit those here who use loonwatch as a source of knowledge, it to show that not everyone is sucked in by it, that even those who believe can come to their senses. As for my point of view being validated, it's validated everyday by what's going on within Islam. Things are getting worse, not better.

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This is a pretty good demonstration of how one aspect of persuasion works. Chop off the hatred and no one shows up for a brawl.

Richard got one thing right. He doesn't have a voice here to gratuitouosly insult OL members or preach bigotry.

Both taunting and bigoted statements are sure to get hot-button attention. That's why haters use them so much. When you remove them, you pull the manipulation teeth from the message and you get what's left, In other words you get the argument standing on its own merits.

If that doesn't make a squeak to intelligent people, that's because the hater doesn't know how to make a rational case. He only knows how to bait and spew bigotry. That's his only competence.

Unfortunately Richard does not have a monopoly on this line of will and rhetoric. The entire debate is filled with haters on all sides who have had their critical thinking organ amputated. And they will get really nasty to anyone who refuses to drink their Kool-Aid. That's why I lost my enthusiasm for it.

Hatred qua hatred isn't sexy to me. It's irritating--boring at best.

But boy, does it turn some people on.

Just not around me too much. I don't want that crap near me. It's a total waste of time and good spirits.

Michael

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Here is the kind of article that Richard Wiig could have an interesting time deconstructing .

The GOP Brotherhood of Egypt

Demonized in the U.S. as radical terrorists, Egypt's Islamists are actually led by free-market businessmen

By Avi Asher-Schapiro

While

often depict Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood as a shadowy organization with terrorist ties, the Brotherhood’s ideology actually has more in common with America’s Republican Party than with al-Qaida. Few Americans know it but the Brotherhood is a free-market party led by wealthy businessmen whose economic agenda embraces privatization and foreign investment while spurning labor unions and the redistribution of wealth. Like the Republicans in the U.S., the financial interests of the party’s leadership of businessmen and professionals diverge sharply from those of its poor, socially conservative followers.

The Brotherhood, which did not initially support the revolution that began a year ago, reaped its benefits, capturing nearly half the seats in the new parliament, which was seated this week, and vaulting its top leaders into positions of power.

Arguably the most powerful man in the Muslim Brotherhood is Khairat Al-Shater, a multimillionaire tycoon whose financial interests extend into electronics, manufacturing and retail. A strong advocate of privatization, Al-Shater is one of a cadre of Muslim Brotherhood businessmen who helped finance the Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party’s impressive electoral victory this winter and is now crafting the FJP’s economic agenda.

Continue Reading

-- I haven't actually peeked into the ignore doghouse to see what Richard has been saying here. Should I?

In other news, I announce that I like Loonwatch, a lot. The amount of slop and skid in those they watch (from the crazykookiepants Pam Geller to the kookooforkohkohpuffs commenters at Jihadwatch) is HUGE. I am so glad there is someone monitoring the crazy things that the kooks sometimes say ...

That aside, I invite those who are kind of not looking at Egypt (let alone Tunisia, Bahrain, Yemen or ugh Libya) for fear of finding out that everything you feared about the Islamist Boogeyman is true, give the article a read. It is meaningful in an Objective-ish way. It is not exactly reassuring, but IDs some actors and lets us better plot the future on our charts.

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Good Lord!

Comparing the Muslim Brotherhood to the USA Republican Party?

Dayaamm!

All ya' can do is laugh.

Well... there might be a couple of points of similarity. Lots of Republicans participated in the lynchings of blacks in the Deep South during the Jim Crow days. They were really good at running businesses back then, too.

Terrorism and free markets. Doncha luv it?

(There were actually more Democrats involved, but that's beyond the scope of this weird analogy.)

Michael

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-- I haven't actually peeked into the ignore doghouse to see what Richard has been saying here. Should I?

IMO, nope, not worth your time. OTOH, I can’t predict what will inspire one of your incredibly enjoyable rants. It’s just something about a guy that I’ve never heard of, who likes Robert Spencer. I gather he used to not like Robert Spencer. Whoop-di-doo.

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A few words from Ali Sina, who makes a better defence of Pamela Geller than I ever could:

Ali Sina: "Pamela Geller and her organizations don’t become hate groups just because a bunch of moon-bats say so"

The indomitable Ali Sina of Faith Freedom has been in a discussion of sorts with Sheila Musaji of The American Muslim, who is an established liar. His latest piece addressed to her brilliantly answers the principal charges that Leftists and Islamic supremacists routinely make against Pamela Geller and me, and our organizations.

(I have reproduced it below as it appears in the original; "Namazi" is of course the communist antisemite Maryam Namazie, and "Bari" is Rifqa Bary.)

...Let us continue:

It is both surprising and not surprising that Ali Sina has now been named to the Board of Directors of the newly formed
Stop the Islamization of Nations SION
which is a coalition SIOA, SIOE, and other hate groups, and which will be led by Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer. It is not surprising because of the animosity towards Islam that he shares with Geller and Spencer. It is surprising because of the fact that Geller herself is Jewish, and Ali Sina seems to have as much animosity towards Judaism as he does against Islam.

Perhaps this is above your ken but what unites Pamela Geller (a Jew), Robert Spencer (a Catholic), Wafa Sultan (a secular humanist), Babu Suseelan (a Hindu) ,and yours truly, is our humanity. We have different beliefs, but we don’t allow that to divide us. To a Muslim this might be incomprehensible. You see the world divided on religious lines. We don’t see it that way. We see all mankind as members of one gigantic human family. We have different tastes in politics and in religion. But we never let them come between us and divide us.

I receive many emails from youths who say they no longer believe in Islam and want to become Christian. I never discourage them. Let me quote what I wrote to one such youth yesterday.

This 22 year old Somali woman wrote to Pamela Geller and told her that she wants to be a Christian. She added, “However, i know that if my family [comes to] know about this they will surely end my life since it will bring them shame in our community. Once my father found a bible in my drawer and he told me that if he founds it there again he will do something to me that i will regret forever. I feel unsafe here and am looking for a way out please help me before it is too late.”

Pamela asked me to reply and here is a few passages from my email to her:

“Faith is a very personal matter. It is a relationship you have with your God. No one can take it away from you and you don’t have to speak about it to anyone. Jesus did not start a new religion. He wants to have a personal relationship with you. As long as you have him in your heart, he is with you even if you don’t attend any church or interact with other Christians.

If you live in your parent’s home, you need to live by their rules. Don’t keep a Bible at home and don’t have any cross or anything that may make them think you are a Christian. You don’t need to do any baptism either. Love of God is your baptism. Soon you will be out of your parent’s home and will be more independent.

Meanwhile I suggest you act with caution. Time will pass fast. Study hard and get the best education you can. Education is your key to freedom. If you have a good education you can get a hired sooner and afford getting out of your parental home faster. You may even go and live in another city or another country.

If you want to read the Bible you can find it online. If you want to discuss your faith with anyone you can find Christian communities online. Don’t share your thoughts with anyone. Study, study and study! This is the fastest way to your freedom.”

Pamela is a Jew and I am a humanist. But neither of us discouraged this girl from following the path that she had chosen for herself. We don’t care about people’s faiths. We care about their lives. We don’t divide mankind along religious lines. There is no such thing as believers/unbelievers, the faithful and the kafir in our lexicon. What matters, is our humanity and what makes us human is not what we believe, but how we live.

You are a Muslim. You are genuinely incapable to see that we are humans first, and religion is nothing compared to the strong string of humanity that runs through the core of all of us and binds us together like the beads in a rosary. You see the world from the tainted glasses of Islam. What you don’t know is that those glasses come from the mind of a psychopath narcissist. Islam is insanity. This is not an insult. This is my thesis and I have proven it. Read my book and you too will agree.

You then continued:

The
Southern Poverty Law Center
published a report
citing Geller for hate speech. The AFDI has been named
a hate group
by the Southern Poverty Law Center. The American Freedom Defense Initiative is the parent group of the SIOA. Spencer, Geller, and Yerushalmi are featured in the SPLC reports
Jihad Against Islam
and
The Anti-Muslim Inner Circle
.

Yes I know. These traitorous leftist organizations are your lackeys. What unites them with you Muslims is your common hatred of the Judeo-Christian western values. But they are stupid. They think by supporting fellow haters of the western values they will be stronger and you will help them to come to power. All they have to do to see their folly is to talk to fellow commies from Iran. Let them talk with Maryam Namazi from UK. Namazi and her comrades were instrumental in the revolution of 1979 in Iran. They threw their lot with Islamists. But they were the first who were eliminated when Khomeni took power. If Islam ever comes to power in Europe or in America, all those left leaning organization that today defend Islam will be the first to be eliminated. Those who don’t read the history, tend to repeat the same errors.

Pamela Geller and her organizations don’t become hate groups just because a bunch of moon-bats says so. Pamela has demonstrated her compassion and care for countless hapless and helpless young Muslims whose own families have turned against them. Young Muslims write to her from all over the world asking for help. This woman should be awarded the Nobel Prize for her humanitarianism and for her compassion. Alas the Nobel Prize committee is so politicized that they think charlatans like Arafat, Obama and Al Gore are more deserving for that prize than good humans who truly serve mankind.

One of the saddest stories is when Gore was granted the Nobel Prize for lying about global warming there was a 92 years woman named Irene Sendler, who was also a nominee. She had saved some 2,500 Jewish children from the Nazi Holocaust by smuggling them out of Warsaw Ghetto, in her basket and tool box. I felt a lump in my throat when I read her story and that instead of her the committee chose this filty liar.

I don’t give a damn about those organizations calling Pamela Geller a hate monger. I can see how much she cares about people. I saw how she took to heart the case of Rifqa Bari and protected that beautiful soul when her parents wanted to kill her.

Where were you to protect Rifqa? Why young Muslims don’t write to YOU to protect them from their families and write to Pamela? Because they know you are a hypocrite Islamist and all you care is your damn religion, but Pamela is a humanitarian who cares about them and is not concerned about what religion they believe. I have seen people write to her and say they want to stay Muslim but just want to be free from the tyranny of their parents and Pamela still advised them compassionately and tried to help them without ever telling them they should leave Islam first.

Pay Pal
at least temporarily
suspended
Geller’s site Atlas Shrugs for being a hate site.

Sure! They did it because a bunch of Muslims like you wrote to Pay Pal lied about Pamela and libled her of spreading hate. When Pay Pal realized they had been duped they reversed their decision.

Actually, Musaji is here lying yet again. PayPal never actually suspended Geller at all.

You then said

Spencer and Geller attempted to patent the SIOA trademark, but were refused by the
U.S. patent office
The government response, posted on the site, states, “The applied-for mark refers to Muslims in a disparaging manner because by definition it implies that conversion or conformity to Islam is something that needs to be stopped or caused to cease.”

That is because our Governments are misled. They consider Islam a religion and as such it is protected. That is why we formed SION (Stop Islamization Of Nations) to educate and to unmask Islam. Islam is not just a religion. It is more a political ideology of domination. It must be classified as such. It is more akin to communism and Nazism than it is to other faiths. Muhammad said al Islamo deenun wa dawla (Islam is both religion and government.) One cannot be separated from another. This is what people don’t know. It will take some time to make the world aware of it. But we are patient and determined. More prominent people are joining SION from all over the world. We are poised to become a powerful international force. And we will go after traitors who sell their country for vote. We will expose them. We know that anytime a politician supports Islam we have to follow the money trail to find a skeleton in their closet. That is what we intend to do.

The Center for American Progress released a groundbreaking report
Fear Inc.: The Roots of the Islamophobia Network in America
. The key researchers for this report were Wajahat Ali, Eli Clifton, Matthew Duss, Lee Fang, Scott Keyes, and Faiz Shakir. The report itself is the result of a six month investigative project, and is 132 pages in length. Geller is cited as part of this network.

Oh really!? So a bunch of Muslims and their minions got together and cited Geller as Islamophobe? And what else is new? I repeated many times that Islamophobia is a fallacy. Geller is a defender of the Western civilization.

Musaji quotes several other organizations that are either run by Muslims or are sympathetic to Islam that denounce the critics of Islam as “Islamophobe”. In her opinion this is “evidence.” In Persian we have a saying: They asked the fox who will testify on your behalf, he said my tail. Or better than that is when Allah backs up Muhammad. Who gives a damn if Muslims and their minions call us hate monger? This is circular reasoning. I talk about facts and I have shown that we are not hate mongers, but Muslims are.

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Wow, the cut-and-paste. A splodge of ranty hoohaw from elsewhere. No summary or introduction, no background for those mostly uninterested in MENA affairs.

A clue that it has something to do with Pamela Geller, Loonwatch, and Jihadwatch and Daily Kos. That really could make an inviting and appealing post, if marketed with some aplomb.

No such luck.

So to the background. Jihadwatch is a website that looks out for Murkans creeped out and whipped into a frenzy by Them. Them Terrists. Them Islamic Terrists. Jihadwatch is owned/run/mostly full of articles by Robert Spencer, a site complete with creepy-crawler commenters. Yay! Pamela Geller is, in my opinion, a nightmare version of a rationalist. A rationalist on ninety-five cups of coffee, in a state of ketosis, fusing with Jihadwatch and Terrorwatch and IslamWatch and EvulWatch and the prophets of Israel and the endtimes maniacs of Liberty Baptist University. Pamela Geller is a LOON.

So, LOONWatch watches over the kooky, unsupported and occasionally flat-out hysterical and nuts -- on the subject of Skeddy Terrist Muslim Menace. Those suffused with paranoia who make shit up and use diatribes, misinformation, hate and suspicion against a class of Americans (especially). Those who skirt the margins of rational discourse -- zealots, propagandists, polemicists.

Loonwatch nails Jihadwatch when it fucks up and LIES. It nails Geller when she stumbles and LIES and misinforms. That is its job description.

And so dumbfuck author of the Kos diary article is an ostensible Leftist Progressive (nutcase) who fell into a mild crush on the anti-Evul principles he thinks might underlay the sloppy and hysterical presentations of Geller and fellow loons and kooks and crackpots on the I HATE Islam wagon.

Here is dumbfuck winding up:

It seems that Loonwatch is pretty much exclusively concerned with exposing the perceived enemies of Islam, including a compulsive and obsessive tit for tat over anything that Robert Spencer, of JihadWatch.com had to say. Unlike Pamela Geller or that nut in Florida who was preoccupied with burning the Koran, Spencer, whom I don't see eye to eye with either (I feel he might also be religiously motivated), presents himself in a rather rational, sober and scholarly fashion and I might add that neither he nor the other "Loons" have bombs strapped to them - only words. Something we cannot say for so many, many defenders of Islam.

And, just in case that remarkable claim is not enough, he tosses his curls, stamps his Leftish Boots, and rumbles on:

if you are affiliated with this site: Loonwatch.com you are perhaps unknowingly supporting a group with terrorist / Islamist sympathies. Think of those Germans who did not stand up against or speak out against Hitler. And note the distinction between being a German, which is of course perfectly fine, and through silence giving ones consent for the atrocities of the Nazi regime, which is quite another thing entirely.

I, sad as I am now, having read the original articles, have several questions.

But the subject only really deserves one, and it is directed to the dumbfuck with Leftish Boots all a-walkin. Why, sir, did it take you three paragraphs to make a connection with Nazis and Loonwatch?

Adam, your comment was priceless, I hope I remember it. Meanwhile I am scrubbing my skin with bristle brushes to get the stupid off.

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I am lucky to know little of this labyrinth beyond the inane postings of Infidel. But I do know one thing of Pamela Geller. At the end of the dreadful Shafia case, in which three rich, nonreligious, amoral Afghans murdered half their family, I stumbled across a headline which turned out to be hers, "A Defeat for Sharia Law." The trial was held in Canada, where there is no sharia law, and I do not know much about the religious bases of sharia law. Apparently when any Muslim is convicted of anything, it is a defeat for sharia law however.

The woman is not all there.

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In case anyone thinks I have been unkind to Eric Allen Bell (author of the Kos pieces, referred to above as dumbfuck), you can leave him a large donation at his website, which is subtitled "Expanding Individual and Collective Consciousness..."

He needs a miracle, folks! Or, as he puts it:

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Yes, his global TV brand needs money. So if you can join him with Richard on the ramparts, click here.

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The trial was held in Canada, where there is no sharia law,

There is no Shariah in Canada because people like Pamela Geller stood up and opposed it. Many Muslim women in Canada, who have come from places like Iran, stood up and opposed it too. They are in Canada to escape Shariah.

and I do not know much about the religious bases of sharia law. Apparently when any Muslim is convicted of anything, it is a defeat for sharia law however.

The woman is not all there.

What is the context in which she said that? You haven't provided it.

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"Loonwatch nails Jihadwatch when it fucks up and LIES. It nails Geller when she stumbles and LIES and misinforms. That is its job description."

Well, I've looked for the lies. I haven't found them. What lies are you actually refering to? And finding some objectivity at loonwatch is like searching for the mystical Unicorn. It's there somewhere, apparently, but as yet I am not a believer.

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