Selene Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 According to this individual:...pollinators are at risk. And we know one of the main causes of their alarming death rates. A new report concludes that neonicotinoid pesticides, or neonics, "pose a serious risk of harm to honey bees and other pollinators." They also harm butterflies, earthworms and birds, and because they're now found in soils, sediment, groundwater and waterways, they alter "biodiversity, ecosystem functioning and the ecosystem services provided by a wide range of affected species and environments."http://www.davidsuzuki.org/blogs/science-matters/2014/07/its-time-to-save-the-bees-and-ban-neonic-pesticides/Having been mislead and swallowing Rachel Carson's crap in Silent Spring many years ago, I do not trust these ideologues any longer.Apparently,OTTAWA—Scientists say they have conclusive evidence that a group of widely used pesticides are killing bees and other insects, and harming the environment.The international panel of 50 scientists working as the Task Force on Systemic Pesticides says use of the pesticides should be phased out.In the meantime, they’re calling on regulatory bodies to tighten controls on their use.But environmental groups say the chemicals should be banned now.The panel’s conclusions were released as a new study Wednesday by Friends of the Earth Canada showed that large numbers of supposedly “bee-friendly” plants sold at garden centres in 18 cities across Canada and the United States are contaminated with neonic pesticides.Concerns over the use of neonicotinoids (neonics) have been raised over the last two decades.But the panel says a study of 800 research papers provides conclusive evidence that the pesticides are causing the mass deaths of insects that are essential to the process of pollinating most crops.Any info anyone may have on this would be appreciated.A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BaalChatzaf Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 It has been known for centuries that bees are pollinators.Without them, we are in a pickle particularly since the current world population exceed seven billions of hungry folk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted July 5, 2014 Author Share Posted July 5, 2014 Very nice visual JTS...makes a clear point even to climate change morons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moralist Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 Any info anyone may have on this would be appreciated.A...I do, Adam. But it's not book information. Just real world first person anecdotal info...We live adjacent to over 10,000 acres of untouched natural open land with no large scale agriculture anywhere near by. On the open land there are well established natural hives. We also have a beekeeper in the area who parks his hives in various locations throughout the canyon. So there are plenty of bees to pollinate the blossoms on the two dozen fruit and nut trees on our land. Bees are absolutely vital to our food production. So we keep sources of easily accessible water all over so as to encourage lots of bees to come to "visit". In hot weather they need plenty of water to regulate the temperature in their hives.Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted July 6, 2014 Author Share Posted July 6, 2014 Any info anyone may have on this would be appreciated.A...I do, Adam. But it's not book information. Just real world first person anecdotal info...We live adjacent to over 10,000 acres of untouched natural open land with no large scale agriculture anywhere near by. On the open land there are well established natural hives. We also have a beekeeper in the area who parks his hives in various locations throughout the canyon. So there are plenty of bees to pollinate the blossoms on the two dozen fruit and nut trees on our land. Bees are absolutely vital to our food production. So we keep sources of easily accessible water all over so as to encourage lots of bees to come to "visit". In hot weather they need plenty of water to regulate the temperature in their hives.GregInformation need not be bound in a binder. Better to be imbedded in the mind.Thks Greg I assume no one is using the "pesticides" referred to in the article I posted.A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moralist Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 Any info anyone may have on this would be appreciated.A...I do, Adam. But it's not book information. Just real world first person anecdotal info...We live adjacent to over 10,000 acres of untouched natural open land with no large scale agriculture anywhere near by. On the open land there are well established natural hives. We also have a beekeeper in the area who parks his hives in various locations throughout the canyon. So there are plenty of bees to pollinate the blossoms on the two dozen fruit and nut trees on our land. Bees are absolutely vital to our food production. So we keep sources of easily accessible water all over so as to encourage lots of bees to come to "visit". In hot weather they need plenty of water to regulate the temperature in their hives.GregInformation need not be bound in a binder. Better to be imbedded in the mind.Thks Greg I assume no one is using the "pesticides" referred to in the article I posted.A...Nope. Nobody here is that stupid. It's just individual Americans growing their own food. We chose to settle here as it's right on the edge of the dividing line between the man made world and the natural world.It's quite like Galt's Gulch. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted July 6, 2014 Author Share Posted July 6, 2014 Greg:I have admired how you carved out your property. One of the reasons that I posted this is that I am looking for what folks might know about this/these sequences of pesticides.I fully understand about bees in the food chain.My lady and I seriously considered setting them up when we lived in a great little cottage in Virginia.A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dldelancey Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 I don't know about pesticides. In my area, pollinating bee populations have been hurt by encroaching "killer bees." At least that's what people say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Bees are also being hurt by certain fungi more than usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Save the bees. To hell with the whales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 Bees are also being hurt by certain fungi more than usual.Could these pesticides be impacting those certain fungi...it is, as we all know, a very intricate chain.And, as Richard Loo explained in The Purple Heart, "A chain, Captain, is no stronger than it's weakest 'rink' [link]!A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jts Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 This is a TED talk.Bees are flower feeders. Without bees you gotta pollinate flowers by hand. Letting bees do it is much better. 20,000 species of bees. Honeybees are special. Went to work for a commercial bee keeper. Bees have social health care. Bees collect resin and make propolis. Bees are dying from 4 interacting causes: 1. Diseases and Parasites 2. Pesticides 3. Monocultures 4. Flowerless landscapeWhat to do: Plant flowers. Plant cover crops. Keep them free of pesticides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 JTS:Thank you. You would be wise to skip the question begging. You post some quality information.Bees have social health care.Maybe you meant that to be cute...if so, lose the cuteness.A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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