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Housing database

The granddaddy of them all is the Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing database, which the Department of Housing and Urban Development rolled out earlier this month to racially balance the nation, ZIP code by ZIP code. It will map every US neighborhood by four racial groups — white, Asian, black or African-American, and Hispanic/Latino — and publish “geospatial data” pinpointing racial imbalances.

The agency proposes using nonwhite populations of 50% or higher as the threshold for classifying segregated areas.

Federally funded cities deemed overly segregated will be pressured to change their zoning laws to allow construction of more subsidized housing in affluent areas in the suburbs, and relocate inner-city minorities to those predominantly white areas. HUD’s maps, which use dots to show the racial distribution or density in residential areas, will be used to select affordable-housing sites.

http://nypost.com/2015/07/18/obama-has-been-collecting-personal-data-for-a-secret-race-database/

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People of different races and ethnicities freely segregate themselves whether it is in the lunch room or in their choice of homes. When these neigborhoods butt against each other there is tension but it may not lead to constant violence as in East Los Angeles. However, gangs used for self protection as dramatized in West Side Story, may be necessary in those racially overlapping areas like in schools. A baby's evolutionary response of same - good, different - bad, will not change.

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Maybe.

Fire up the RV.

It will take up at least ten years for this to get up a head of steam. It's likely to get interrupted.

The problem is the propensity of the Republicans to not undo what the Democrats do even if it's do-do, and most of it is poop.

--Brant

"Do you know where you're going to?

Do you like what life is showing you?"

Greg's new neighbor will be a Darkie with an Hispanic wife and adopted children from Lower Sloblovia, Iran and Syria, in their teenage years (all male), with customers coming and going 24/7

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Whatever is within the self-responsibility of each individual to correct in himself (such as prejudice) for the selfish sake of personal justice and truth, the collective and the State will prefer to interfere and enforce. It shows how little trusting benevolence the State has towards its own people. Practically, Utopian fantasies plus force have always ended up as the opposite of their intentions. I'm horrified by this report.

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I have several routes of travel access respecting my property. Of the two major ones the City of Tucson can put in or have put in through special zoning high density housing on undeveloped land, some of which it owns. There are a lot of Hispanics in Tucson, not so many blacks, so that housing is unlikely to be put in or required there. The Hispanics--actually Mexican-Americans--are already in the neighborhood or nearby if broken down by zip code. The logical effect would be to require Hispanic neighborhoods have housing put in for Anglos, in a sort of reductio ad absurdum. There used to be two concentrations of blacks in Tucson which probably peaked in the 1950s when I went to an integrated Junior High School. The first was downtown along the mainline railroad tracks. It was like having train after train going right by your backyard. Those homes are all gone, not the trains. The second was a concentration of black home ownership north of downtown. That's probably still true to some extent, but blacks can buy homes almost anywhere in Tucson now if they have the money. (I saw the same kind of thing in Westwood, New Jersey--a long time, stable black neighborhood of home ownership. It's probably just the same now for it costs too much to move out and then into much more expensive housing. There is no such thing as cheap and plentiful housing in northern NJ and blue collar workers are trapped in their homes--actually most people are--unless they literally want to leave the state, which is what their children have done for generations.)

--Brant

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[ Obama collecting personal data for a secret race database ]

Housing database

The granddaddy of them all is the Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing database, which the Department of Housing and Urban Development rolled out earlier this month to racially balance the nation, ZIP code by ZIP code. It will map every US neighborhood by four racial groups — white, Asian, black or African-American, and Hispanic/Latino — and publish “geospatial data” pinpointing racial imbalances.

Data from the databases are certainly not 'secret' ... including this purportedly secret 'geospatial data.' The New York Post headline is ridiculous.

I have noted before the Racial Dot Map -- this is fully public, and is one of the items the AFFH recommends to the public. I figure the first thing for opponents of Big Brother to do is lift the lid on the supposed 'secrets.' Get down into the nitty-gritty of bureaucratic overreach and hubris.

For example, here is an excerpt from an non-governmental overview of all the AFFH tentacles and policies, in this case information recommended for those who want to know more about residential segregation:

Population Trends/Residential Patterns

Information about population trends in the U.S. that is useful for understanding residential segregation and how it affects access to opportunity is available from many sources.

Among these are:

  • The Racial Dot Map, based on 2010 Census data and created by Dustin Cable at the Weldon Cooper Center for Public Service at the University of Virginia

  • Eric Fischer’s dot maps of population and race in the U.S., for 2000 and 2010

  • Daniel Denvir’s maps for Salon.com of the 10 most segregated urban areas in the U.S.

  • Project US2010, directed by Brown University sociologist John Logan, which provides maps, data and research examining recent changes in American society

  • The Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race and Ethnicity at Ohio State University, which pioneered the concept of opportunity mapping, a tool for identifying, building understanding of, and eliminating racialized structural barriers to opportunity in critical domains including equitable and sustainable communities, criminal justice, education, health and health care in order to build opportunity-rich neighborhoods

  • The Urban Institute’s MicroTrends Blog, which looks at the changes and challenges facing metropolitan America, including those related to segregation and access to opportunity

  • The Equality of Opportunity Project—whose researchers are economists at Harvard University, UC Berkeley and the U.S. Treasury Department—provides data, research and maps looking at economic mobility in America, over time and across geographic areas.

And here is the official "secret" geospatial Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing Tool and a screen shot:

AFFHmaptools.png

Understanding segregation requires information. Even if our instincts are that the AFFH is a gross and intrusive means to socially-engineer a socialist utopia/hellhole, credible information about segregation is something I figure Objectivists and Objectivish people want to have in hand. Hard, objective metrics, fully open to scrutiny and commentary.

Even a religious intuitive like you, Greg, can find information extending and buttressing your understanding. It's up to you to make of it what you will.

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What is always fascinating about the bean counters is what the choose as their basic organizational structure.

Here the Federal marxist bean counters within the FHA have chosen the ultimate base, Postal Zip Codes [PZC].

The organization of data in the United States has been digitized and compressed into the Postal Zip Code:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZIP_code#/media/File:ZIP_Code_zones.svg

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Greg's new neighbor will be a Darkie with an Hispanic wife and adopted children from Lower Sloblovia, Iran and Syria,

We live in a unincorporated rural area which does not belong to any city controlled by government funding, so there's no entity to enforce housing restrictions. And people need to be millionaires to buy a house here. So economics naturally control who lives here and that keeps crime down to a bare minimum.

My approach is to already be well established in a reasonably safe place while times are still good, because trying to get out of a city when there's trouble will be difficult when everyone else is doing the same thing you are.

Greg

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Even a religious intuitive like you, Greg, can find information extending and buttressing your understanding. It's up to you to make of it what you will.

I'm not dependent on the government like you are, William. Instead, I use my own awareness and common sense to see the dark clouds on the horizon and to have my ark already built before the storm gets here.

I sure don't need your f**king government bureaucracy for that! :laugh:

Greg

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--Brant

"Do you know where you're going to?

Do you like what life is showing you?"

Greg's new neighbor will be a Darkie with an Hispanic wife and adopted children from Lower Sloblovia, Iran and Syria, in their teenage years (all male), with customers coming and going 24/7

Yes, you could call it 'the rough-and-tumble' of reality: whatever one's economic status at any point of a life, especially younger and not well-off, one could find living next door all kinds of people, sharing similar financial circumstances, attending the same civic meetings, sending their kids to the same school, together bitching about the City's municipality, etc. After initial reservations about them being "different", one's outlook will usually change over time and with association. They may become your friends. At the least you learn to understand them as not so different. It's government intervention in the real life of an individual that is disastrous and ultimately polarizing. I think reality scares governments, and the fact that mostly people can get along without them. Implemented 'integration' is the other side of the same coin from segregation.

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It's government intervention in the real life of an individual that is disastrous and ultimately polarizing.

Bullseye, Tony... and wherever government funds... it controls.

This is the problem with taking anything government offers... there are always more than enough strings attached to make you their puppet. And you grant them your sanction to be their puppet the instant you take what they offer.

In America today, over one half the population derive over one half of their income from the government. The event horizon has passed now that the political majority is voting for their own benefits.

Game over.

Greg

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Greg's new neighbor will be a Darkie with an Hispanic wife and adopted children from Lower Sloblovia, Iran and Syria,

We live in a unincorporated rural area which does not belong to any city controlled by government funding, so there's no entity to enforce housing restrictions. And people need to be millionaires to buy a house here. So economics naturally control who lives here and that keeps crime down to a bare minimum.

My approach is to already be well established in a reasonably safe place while times are still good, because trying to get out of a city when there's trouble will be difficult when everyone else is doing the same thing you are.

Greg

Those who do get out will be paying you a visit. Tonopah, NV might be better.

--Brant

there will be mockers and scoffers

https://youtu.be/KXewIR7Y7cc

her best song, but not part of the joke

https://youtu.be/gbnbMMCfyoc

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This is my Blondi song and a really nicely shot video about my city...

 

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Greg's new neighbor will be a Darkie with an Hispanic wife and adopted children from Lower Sloblovia, Iran and Syria,

We live in a unincorporated rural area which does not belong to any city controlled by government funding, so there's no entity to enforce housing restrictions. And people need to be millionaires to buy a house here. So economics naturally control who lives here and that keeps crime down to a bare minimum.

My approach is to already be well established in a reasonably safe place while times are still good, because trying to get out of a city when there's trouble will be difficult when everyone else is doing the same thing you are.

Greg

Those who do get out will be paying you a visit.

My response to your threat:

"Anyone found here at night will be found here in the morning." :wink:

Tonopah, NV might be better.

It might be better for people who live in Nevada. We already built "Galt's Gulch" here so there's no need to relocate anywhere else. In my opinion it's way too late to start running around like a chicken with its head cut off, because it takes years to become well established in an area.

Being ready for the worst doesn't necessarily mean the worst will happen. I just know that not living in a liberal government controlled urban crap hole can up the odds considerably for anyone who gets out. A possible EMP event, either in war or a Solar flare event, means no vehicles, so no one goes anywhere they can't walk. That potential can turn being far more than walking distance to a city into a definite advantage.

It's fun to run through the various situations and to come up with practical contingencies for how to meet them. My wife and I have gone through all of them many times.

We're big fans of the Apocalypse. :smile:

Greg

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Thanks for the Blondie videos. They had a unique sound. I remember them appearing on Dick Clark and someone asked her advice about how to triumph in the music industry. In very unequivocal terms she told the kids that guys in the industry will demand to have sex with you and if you don't, you wont succeed. That was sort of disheartening. I was surprised Dick Clark did not try to soften her message.

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Thanks for the Blondie videos. They had a unique sound. I remember them appearing on Dick Clark and someone asked her advice about how to triumph in the music industry. In very unequivocal terms she told the kids that guys in the industry will demand to have sex with you and if you don't, you wont succeed. That was sort of disheartening. I was surprised Dick Clark did not try to soften her message.

Maybe she dated Cosby.

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Hey! She made it with Dick Clark?

--Brant

how did the guys succeed?

The same way, it was just kept secret and in the closet because homosexuality in Hollywood was, of course, non-existent...

Hey, sailor, wanna buy a bridge?

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And people need to be millionaires to buy a house here. So economics naturally control who lives here and that keeps crime down to a bare minimum.

You just do not know about the crimes. Rich men beat their wives. Rich uncles rape their nephews. Rich kids vandalize property. But the police response is different, and a lawyer can make a lot of problems go away.

It is now an axiom in criminology that crime knows no neighborhood. In other words, no special place is the home of crime while other special places remain crime free. In the 19th century, criminology was not so far along in development. Then, it was believed that crime was a disease of poverty and ignorance. Back then, it was believed that an inverse relationship existed between social class (income) and crime. The richest people were the most moral, while the middle class was corruptible, and the unemployed all criminals by nature. I have a book of jokes for businessmen's dinners from 1925. The banker says, "Officer, my clerk is missing." The cop asks, "Was he tall or short?" The banker replies, "Both." But the banker himself would not be a criminal...

Except that we know that the banker is, indeed, a criminal on a grand scale.

So, in your expensive rural community, in addition to the batterers and rapists, you have embezzlers and doctors committing Medicaid fraud. But you feel safe because they do not break into your garage… but their hoodlum kids do… and Dad gets them a lawyer.

Yes, you can link to stories about the federal housing project that was terrorized by gangs, but I must insist that you seldom find a horror story about the homeowners' association that was victimized by a real estate developer. Not that the crime did not happen, but only that it was not fit for the mass mediated hyper-reality of crime.

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And people need to be millionaires to buy a house here. So economics naturally control who lives here and that keeps crime down to a bare minimum.

You just do not know about the crimes. Rich men beat their wives. Rich uncles rape their nephews. Rich kids vandalize property. But the police response is different, and a lawyer can make a lot of problems go away.

Yeah, Michael... I've heard all that crap before from the envy the rich Marxist do-nothing failures. In a small town, believe me... ~everyone~ knows ~everything~ ! :laugh: so it's not a matter of not knowing what's going on.

Here, there are none of the problems which afflict the liberal government funded urban s***holes. That's why I built my gulch here. It's quite literally a different world. :smile:

Every American has the freedom to pick the place where they live... and they will choose a place that matches their values.

Greg

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This strikes me as evil. Does this strike William and Michael as evil? How about true? The lady seems to have her facts lined up pretty good and presents them in an informative, level-headed way.

--Brant

you hardly find this sort of thing in the newspaper or on TV news

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It is called an invasion and we do not even have the chance to meet them on the beaches and throw them back into the sea.

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