Sun worship of the Naciremas

[BaalChatzaf]

On two blessed days of the year the setting sun aligns exactly with the east-west streets of Manhattan.

Please see http://www.amnh.org/our-research/hayden-planetarium/resources/manhattanhenge

No doubt 3000 years from now archeologists studying the ruins of Manhattan will attribute religious significance to the layout of Manhattan just as we attribute religion and magic to the layout of Stonehenge.

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Selene]

Serutan spelled backwards spells Natures...

On October 23, 1934 the company Healthaids, Inc. filed a trademark application for an advertising slogan it was using to promote its laxative product, Serutan.

Early cans of Serutan (and later bottles) featured the words “Read It Backwards” under the product’s name.

The trademarked ad slogan, which quickly became famous, made the point more directly:

“Serutan spelled backwards spells Nature’s.”

In the 1930s and 1940s, Serutan was a sponsor of several popular radio shows, including Arthur Godfrey's Talent Scouts and news shows featuring the “muckraking” journalist Drew Pearson.

http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2010/10/serutan-spelled-backwards-spells.html

[RobinReborn]

Manhattan's streets are an example of what you can do with centralized planning and zoning...

But it's still nowhere near as impressive as the pyramids, which were built much longer ago. Those things still face north, despite all the wars and natural disasters that have happened in Egypt in the last 5000 years.

[BaalChatzaf]

Manhattan's streets are an example of what you can do with centralized planning and zoning...

But it's still nowhere near as impressive as the pyramids, which were built much longer ago. Those things still face north, despite all the wars and natural disasters that have happened in Egypt in the last 5000 years.

Once the Pyramids were built they could not face any other way except the way the faced.

[Brant Gaede]

And their backsides faced the Sudan?

[Selene]

And their backsides faced the Sudan?

Better than Greece!

[Reidy]

Wouldn't any city anywhere meet this condition if its streets were on a rectangular grid?

[moralist]

Manhattan's streets are an example of what you can do with centralized planning and zoning...

But it's still nowhere near as impressive as the pyramids, which were built much longer ago. Those things still face north, despite all the wars and natural disasters that have happened in Egypt in the last 5000 years.

The Giza Pyramids obviously fulfilled a useful function of which we are completely ignorant.

The mathematical accuracy is positively astounding.

http://transmissionsmedia.com/the-inexplicable-precision-in-the-construction-of-the-great-pyramid-at-giza/

"The northern face was aligned, almost perfectly, to true north, the eastern face almost perfectly to true east, the southern to true south, and the western face to true west. The average error was only around three minutes of arc (down to less than two minutes on the southern face) – incredible accuracy for any building in any epoch, and an inexplicable, almost supernatural feat here in Egypt 4500 years ago when the Great Pyramid was supposed to have been built.

An error of three arc minutes represents an infinitesimal deviation from true of less than 0.015 per cent. In the opinion of structural engineers, with whom I had discussed the Great Pyramid, the need for such precision was impossible to understand."

http://www.crystalinks.com/gpstats.html

"The Great Pyramid is the most accurately aligned structure in existence

and faces true north with only 3/60th of a degree of error. The position of the North Pole moves over time and the pyramid was probably exactly aligned at one time.

Center of Land Mass:

The Great Pyramid is located at the center of the land mass of the earth. The east/west parallel that crosses the most land and the north/south meridian that crosses the most land intersect in two places on the earth, one in the ocean and the other at the Great Pyramid.

Tropical Year or Calendar Year:

The length of a base side is 9131 pyramid inches measured at the mean socket level, or 365.24 pyramid cubits, which is the number of days in a year. {9131/25 = 365.24, accurate to 5 digits}

Tropical Year:

The perimeter of the base divided by 100 = 365.24, the number of days in a year. {9131 PI * 4 / 100, accurate to 5 digits}

Tropical Year:

The length of the Antechamber used as the diameter of a circle produces a circumference of 365.242. {accurate to 6 digits}

Tropical Year:

The length of the granite portion of the floor of the antechamber to the King's Chamber times 2*sqrt(Pi) = 365.242

Tropical Year:

The ratio of the lengths of the Grand Gallery to the solid diagonal of the King's Chamber times 100 equals the number of days in a tropical year. {(1881.5985600 / 51.516461) * 100 = 365.242200, accurate to 8 digits}"

[Brant Gaede]

ALIENS!

[moralist]

ALIENS!

I think more likely the enduring remnant of another Earthly civilization before ours. That's the only logical way to account for precision that can barely be matched today even with all of our technology.

A few more facts...

http://www.ancient-code.com/25-facts-about-the-great-pyramid-of-giza/

The granite coffer in the “King’s Chamber” is too big to fit through the passages and so it must have been put in place during construction.

The coffer was made out of a block of solid granite. This would have required bronze saws 8-9 ft. long set with teeth of sapphires. Hollowing out of the interior would require tubular drills of the same material applied with a tremendous vertical force.

Microscopic analysis of the coffer reveals that it was made with a fixed point drill that used hard jewel bits and a drilling force of 2 tons.

The four faces of the pyramid are slightly concave, the only pyramid to have been built this way

The curvature designed into the faces of the pyramid exactly matches the radius of the earth.

The mortar used is of an unknown origin (Yes, no explanation given). It has been analyzed and its chemical composition is known but it can’t be reproduced. It is stronger than the stone and still holding up today.

Greg

[RobinReborn]

I think it had something to do with this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imhotep

AKA Egypt's Aristotle (and Plato (Aristotle's mentor) studied in Egyptian temples, so it's likely a lot of Aristotle's works came from Imhotep).

[moralist]

The 13 acre site upon which the Great Pyramid rests deviates from being perfectly level by only two centimeters.

Forget the pyramid... how in the hell did they make the freaking TOOLS to build it?

Greg

[Reidy]

Plato never went to Egypt. Imhotep lived more than 2000 years before Plato and Aristotle, and they never heard of him. That is why you will find no documentation of a connection. Aristotle wrote about biology but not about medicine, and neither of them wrote about building.

[Brant Gaede]

ALIENS!

I think more likely the enduring remnant of another Earthly civilization before ours. That's the only logical way to account for precision that can barely be matched today even with all of our technology.

A few more facts...

http://www.ancient-code.com/25-facts-about-the-great-pyramid-of-giza/

The granite coffer in the “King’s Chamber” is too big to fit through the passages and so it must have been put in place during construction.

The coffer was made out of a block of solid granite. This would have required bronze saws 8-9 ft. long set with teeth of sapphires. Hollowing out of the interior would require tubular drills of the same material applied with a tremendous vertical force.

Microscopic analysis of the coffer reveals that it was made with a fixed point drill that used hard jewel bits and a drilling force of 2 tons.

The four faces of the pyramid are slightly concave, the only pyramid to have been built this way

The curvature designed into the faces of the pyramid exactly matches the radius of the earth.

The mortar used is of an unknown origin (Yes, no explanation given). It has been analyzed and its chemical composition is known but it can’t be reproduced. It is stronger than the stone and still holding up today.

Greg

At least give some real references or we (oops!) can only take this as no better than Hitler History channel hooey, which I suspect it isn't except for the stuff about a prior, unknown, civilization.

--Brant

[RobinReborn]

Plato never went to Egypt. Imhotep lived more than 2000 years before Plato and Aristotle, and they never heard of him. That is why you will find no documentation of a connection. Aristotle wrote about biology but not about medicine, and neither of them wrote about building.

I need some citations for what you are saying, a simple google search reveals lots of evidence that Plato did go to Egypt. It's true that Imhotep lived long before Aristotle and Plato, but Aristotle and Plato lived long before you or I and we know about them...

Imhotep wrote about more than medicine and architecture, he also wrote about Mathematics and Philosophy. It's also possible he wrote about even more which could have been destroyed between Aristotle and the present (see Library of Alexandria).

[BaalChatzaf]

Plato never went to Egypt. Imhotep lived more than 2000 years before Plato and Aristotle, and they never heard of him. That is why you will find no documentation of a connection. Aristotle wrote about biology but not about medicine, and neither of them wrote about building.

Aristotle's work on plants and animals were informed and influenced by his father's trade, physical medicine. Aristotle started off as a "hands on " worker. He was oriented toward the material world of things and causes, whereas Plato tended to regard the sensual world, the world of phenomena as a distraction and misdirection..

[Brant Gaede]

Plato never went to Egypt. Imhotep lived more than 2000 years before Plato and Aristotle, and they never heard of him. That is why you will find no documentation of a connection. Aristotle wrote about biology but not about medicine, and neither of them wrote about building.

Aristotle's work on plants and animals were informed and influenced by his father's trade, physical medicine. Aristotle started off as a "hands on " worker. He was oriented toward the material world of things and causes, whereas Plato tended to regard the sensual world, the world of phenomena as a distraction and misdirection..

So, Plato went to Egypt, but only in his mind?

--Brant

[william.scherk]

Yes, it is 2015. Yes, there is an Objectivist Living discussion underway that spoofs Henge-humpers or 'significance junkies' or 'mystic statistics' or plain old 'mysterians.'

For some poor souls, they calculate probabilities this way: it is less likely that the Pyramids of Giza were constructed during a period circa c. 2560–2540 BC than that they were built by superhuman mysteries we know nothing about at some unspecified previous time.

Should insert-random-claim make Dear Readers exclaim: "Somebody other than the people of the 2500s BC must have built Giza Pyramids!"? A whole other earthly civilization but the civilization we have studied up the yin-yang! A door-way to a different parallel advanced-but-disappeared civilization that left no other marks but at Giza!

I must give this some long sober thought. Could the same species that built the Hubble Telescope be responsible for human creations in the past? Could the pyramids have been built without some extra-oomph that humans lacked at the time? When did humans first display the oomph? Oomph?

Keep that thought in mind, Dear Reader. Rocky shoals and riptides ahead. Greg, you are my Ideal Reader (on Bizarro World). You may stay on shore in the shade with the ladies. Maybe fix us up some snacks. Trim some wicks. Sluice some dung from pit to pit.

I think more likely the enduring remnant of another Earthly civilization before ours. That's the only logical way to account for precision that can barely be matched today even with all of our technology.

A few more facts...

[25 facts about the Great Pyramid of Giza]


[...]

[7. ] The mortar used is of an unknown origin (Yes, no explanation given). It has been analyzed and its chemical composition is known but it can’t be reproduced. It is stronger than the stone and still holding up today.

At least give some real references or we (oops!) can only take this as no better than Hitler History channel hooey, which I suspect it isn't except for the stuff about a prior, unknown, civilization.

--Brant

Brant, real references are to hand at Greg's link. Greg copy/pasted without clearly marking out his authority's text from his own words. He is just getting used to quoating off-site authority.

The writer Greg borrowed from is Ivan Petricevic and the reference list Petricevic posted is excerpted in all its scanty glory below. I have added in hyperlinks to Amazon for each referenced book. Greg will be unable to pursue, bag and share further authority as that would bring him to the BingGoogleYahoo Door of Hell, beyond which only damned termite-like blind sinners/searchers crawl. Do not insert metaphor beyond this point.

Reference:

The Great Pyramid: A Miracle in Stone, 1973, Joseph A. Seiss

Secrets of the Great Pyramid, 1978, Peter Tompkins

Back in Time 3104 B.C. to the Great Pyramid, 1990, S. G. Taseos

The Authorship and Message of the Great Pyramid, 1953, Julian T. Gray, E. Steinmann & Co.

Our Inheritance in the Great Pyramid, 1891, C. Piazzi Smyth

http://www.timstouse.com

http://www.gizapyramid.com/general.htm

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So, Greg's newest Queer Theory is that Egyptologists, archaeologists, historians, etc are wrong wrong wrong (in the 'what we can know' about the engineering and dating of the pyramids), because some random fucking website has a listicle that he can borrow from.

As Ayn Rand might say: pity the fool without a tool. In this case, the tool being rational inquiry, which tool can help separate the wheat from the chaff of the information market. Add metaphor here: Sorting pebbles and beans from dirt. Etc. This is your tee-off here, Brant.

[insert examples of Moonbeam Madness, Ancient Mystery Mystics, and a picture of a volcano spewing forth hooey.]

I feel lonely at times, in the sense of Team Cutting-Edge v Team Mystic-Mothballs. I give public thanks to several fine fellow firemen who gave me a morale boost backstage. Hoses neatly coiled. Snacks in abundance. Entertainment ahead.


BREAKING: Queer Theorist uses an internet search engine to discover more about the haunting phrase "How would I know if I was wrong?"

For both the epistemologically-crippled (can I say that on the air?) and the epistemologically-active, I recommend Why We Believe Weird Things and How We Know What Isn't So.

I now drift down from third-person impersonal to second person mocking. Greg, are you reading? Do you avoid using internet search engines when doing an internet search to find some random guy telling you how to think?

[insert appallingly insulting metaphor here. Show how Greg Mamishian's marvel of a dung-to-dinner system has parallels in knowledge-filtering. Similes to primary processing. Synecdoche a relation of contaminants to errors. Run-on sentence exploring the many ways Reason filters out Nonsense, in stages similar to treating sewage, taking the good sweet purity of truth as reducible from effluent. Suggest Greg tends to drink from tainted sources, and sometimes soils the garden at OL with shite, but without being mean or explicit. End with a smile, Don't use Evil Google graphic.]

Edited May 30, 2015 by william.scherk

[moralist]

ALIENS!

I think more likely the enduring remnant of another Earthly civilization before ours. That's the only logical way to account for precision that can barely be matched today even with all of our technology.

A few more facts...

http://www.ancient-code.com/25-facts-about-the-great-pyramid-of-giza/

The granite coffer in the “King’s Chamber” is too big to fit through the passages and so it must have been put in place during construction.

The coffer was made out of a block of solid granite. This would have required bronze saws 8-9 ft. long set with teeth of sapphires. Hollowing out of the interior would require tubular drills of the same material applied with a tremendous vertical force.

Microscopic analysis of the coffer reveals that it was made with a fixed point drill that used hard jewel bits and a drilling force of 2 tons.

The four faces of the pyramid are slightly concave, the only pyramid to have been built this way

The curvature designed into the faces of the pyramid exactly matches the radius of the earth.

The mortar used is of an unknown origin (Yes, no explanation given). It has been analyzed and its chemical composition is known but it can’t be reproduced. It is stronger than the stone and still holding up today.

Greg

At least give some real references or we (oops!) can only take this as no better than Hitler History channel hooey, which I suspect it isn't except for the stuff about a prior, unknown, civilization.

--Brant

I've never watched the History channel so I don't exactly know what you mean. You'll find those facts corroborated from multiple sources, but there's certainly no need to take my word for it.

And as far as another civilization, that's just my own subjective opinion, so please take it as such. in fact, everything I say is only my subjective opinion. It's your own personal responsibility to find out for yourself whether or not it agrees objective reality, through your own personal experience.

I never rely on what anyone else says... and live my own life guided by my Conscience and my own personal experience.

The blatant self evident precision that still remains (even after thousands of years of destructive plundering by knuckle dragging baboons) could barely be matched even with our present day technology...

...and we have laser surveying equipment, satellite GPS positioning, and power tools!

So come on, Brant... even the most jaded nihilistic cynic can see that something is obviously going on...

...and neither you nor I have even the slightest effing clue as to what it is.

(edit: ...and like clockwork... in comes prancing the prissy liberal bureaucrat again! )

Greg

[Brant Gaede]

When the History channel was new it was hard to watch without watching something about Hitler. It thus became commonly known as "the Hitler channel."

Don't hear that any more. It's died and gone to TV heaven.

--Brant

oh yes, to get back on topic:

https://youtu.be/Z-hoEoga8no

[moralist]

When the History channel was new it was hard to watch without watching something about Hitler. It thus became commonly known as "the Hitler channel."

Don't hear that any more. It's died and gone to TV heaven.

--Brant

oh yes, to get back on topic:

https://youtu.be/Z-hoEoga8no

Funny... but nothing to do with the topic.

Greg