Martin Shkreli hikes price of drug 5000%

[Brant Gaede]

As I said.

Your habit of snip-quoting to make another position buff up your own is annoying. Keep doing it and it's lazy and dishonest.

--Brant

[turkeyfoot]

And it only suppresses symptoms without EVER addressing or resolving causes. This fact assures the continued life of the pharmaceutical industry.

Greg

I was at the receiving end of a deluge of scripts. A DEA regional office ran printers 24/7 in an effort to keep up. I coulda thrown a wrench and stopped the madness.. ;)

My take, on a personal level?

A quantitative pcr test looks for the presence of the BCR/ABL gene. Maintaining it beneath a certain level under magnification is what the patient lives for, hopes for, thinks they may die from. So a patient with Chronic Myloid Leukemia hopes for a BCR/ABL ratio of 0 in a blood test that can detect 1 tumor cell in 100k.Its a translocation of chromosomes 9 and 22 resulting in a shortened 22 that then shows the presence of the "philadelphia gene".

I asked the patient once, its been 10 yrs, why not stop taking the pills and see (bet your life) whether youve beaten the immunological response of your body?

I hadnt thought to approach her with the notion that shes putting poison in her body.

Its the elixir of a life prolonged. The antidote to the known causes.

Theres a lot I must overcome. I have little to risk by offering questions to challenge her position.

She is her doctors "Gleevec girl" with a button and smile to prove it.

She orders early to build up supplies in the event processes break down.

I even went so far to say, "The stress coming from not having the medicine would kill you long before the disease would."

Im not pushing as hard now. Just sayin.

I enjoy very good health. I went toe to toe and finally wore down a rookie doc when his plaintive wailing sent me towards pills. I probably learned more from that exchange than all the preventative knowledge he took from med school. He didnt know a thing!

What Ive found interesting on a personal level is you gotta wear the t shirt to know what something feels like. Theres an esoteric bubble popping from the sheer weight of what we dont know.

[Brant Gaede]

Prolonged use of many medicines, no matter how necessary and beneficial, frequently leads to unwanted side effects, even shortening your life. And this isn't even medical incompetence and malpractice. Going to your doctor can be just as disastrous as calling the cops, although much less likely. That's a fact. If you ever get adult onset diabetes the very last thing to do is start injecting insulin. That's telling your pancreas to completely shut down. But if you can't diet and exercise your way out--or wave a magic wand--insulin is a must.

--Brant

next: the case for sugar

[Jules Troy]

When I get old it's hookers and blowwwww and a bottle of Viagra for me! Might as well go out with a bang!(or 12)

Now that's medicine for all that ails ya!!

Just kidding. Who needs Viagra??

[moralist]

Brant writes:

Keep doing it and it's lazy and dishonest.

You're right. I am lazy when it comes to the internet because it's just lighthearted relaxing entertainment. In the real world is where I'm all business.

As to dishonest. I stated my view and a fact which affirms it.

America is a narcoculture of drug worshippers.

Last year over FOUR BILLION prescriptions were written.

That's one prescription per month, every month, for every man woman and child in America.

None of those statements are lies.

Greg

[Wolf DeVoon]

I have trouble keeping up with the direction of certain conversations, like this one and a companion thread about health care that became a Canadian Question, which I thought was supposed to be about free market tub-thumping.

If a product commands a high price, it means that someone is willing and able to pay.

Using medicine is a fairly simple business. I've been treated by doctors and surgeons that I sought out when I had a problem. It was 100% successful every time. Same thing with dentists, veterinarians for my dog, pediatricians for the kid, lawyers and accountants to handle business affairs, architects and contractors when I build something. What's so awful about paying a specialist, or using something they recommend?

[Brant Gaede]

Brant writes:

Keep doing it and it's lazy and dishonest.

You're right. I am lazy when it comes to the internet because it's just lighthearted relaxing entertainment. In the real world is where I'm all business.

As to dishonest. I stated my view and a fact which affirms it.

America is a narcoculture of drug worshippers.

Last year over FOUR BILLION prescriptions were written.

That's one prescription per month, every month, for every man woman and child in America.

None of those statements are lies.

Greg

This is terrible and I do not understand it. You keep on doing it. Now I don't see either lazy or dishonest. I see blatant lack of comprehension. Why? My reference was to your snip-quoting. So you immediately snip quote me again to reply not to what I was talking about but something else altogether.

I am left with no alternative but not to especially give you things to react to.

--Brant

[moralist]

Wolf writes:

If a product commands a high price, it means that someone is willing and able to pay.

Exactly.

If the asking price is too high they won't get it, And if it isn't, they will. The free market is constantly self correcting. It has a beauty all its own.

In business I can make good deals and still turn a really good profit because I keep a low overhead. This creates goodwill in others because they love getting a good deal. So they call me again and again and recommend me, too. 35 years and never one penny spent on advertising.

Working in the free market system is how the American dream of financial independence becomes reality.

Greg

[moralist]

I see blatant lack of comprehension. Why? My reference was to your snip-quoting.

That's odd... I couldn't care less if only parts of my posts are quoted as long as they're not unquoted and misparaphrased.

We each think differently, and believe government education can account for at least some of that difference. Because I'm more of an autodidact, I learned things for myself instead of being taught by government employees in government schools.

Kernels of your posts spark ideas, so I only quote the kernel that sparked the idea and then express the idea.

Greg

[tmj]

Being taught presupposes having learned. Everyone is autodidactic, don't worry you're special,too

[Brant Gaede]

I see blatant lack of comprehension. Why? My reference was to your snip-quoting.

That's odd... I couldn't care less if only parts of my posts are quoted as long as they're not unquoted and misparaphrased.

We each think differently, and believe government education can account for at least some of that difference. Because I'm more of an autodidact, I learned things for myself instead of being taught by government employees in government schools.

Kernels of your posts spark ideas, so I only quote the kernel that sparked the idea and then express the idea.

Greg

Okay. But the implication of quoting me to me is you are replying to me and you're not. Keep doing it your way as far as I'm concerned. I can work with this. Snip quoting is a form of unquoting but it's now a minor issue as such. I really didn't understand where you were coming from.

--Brant

~~Mr. Inspiration~~

[moralist]

tmj writes:

Being taught presupposes having learned. Everyone is autodidactic, don't worry you're special,too

There is a difference between learning things yourself by doing, and learning from government employees in government schools. It can make the difference between being a cog in someone else's machine, and being a self-guided self-actuated individual.

I'm constantly experimenting to create new things and to find new ways to do things because it's no end of fun.

Greg

[moralist]

Brant writes:

Okay. But the implication of quoting me to me is you are replying to me and you're not.

That's correct, Brant.

I respond only to the kernel of your comment which directly sparks an idea in me. Then I express that idea.

Greg

[jts]

About $750 per pill.

[moralist]

Jerry writes:
Some of the Gerson therapy patients got chemotherapy prior to getting Gerson therapy. The chemo, being a poison, reduces the chance of success of Gerson. At some point there is no return.

Gerson therapy is difficult to do properly on one's own. If it is not done properly, the result can be failure. This is, I think, a serious negative of Gerson therapy and probably accounts for lots of failures. But if you have lots of money, you can get professionals to help you. Still much cheaper and better than chemo.

My wife had cancer and after the operation, was told by the doctor that if she didn't get chemotherapy and radiation it would return with a vengeance and she would be dead in two years.

Seeing the after effects of poisonous chemotherapy and toxic radiation on our friends lives, she chose to not to do either, and instead to practice a variety of holistic alternatives including her own do it yourself version of the Gerson therapy.

It's been over ten years and she is still cancer free today.

Faith has a lot to do with this. William naturally chose to place his faith in the medical and pharmaceutical bureaucracy just as he does in his government's bureaucracy because of his dependence on them to sustain him.

In contrast, my wife chose to put her faith in her body's own natural ability to sustain itself if given the opportunity to do so without the interference of drugs and radiation.


Greg

[Jonathan]

My wife had cancer...

What evil thing did she do or believe to deserve getting cancer?

J

[Brant Gaede]

My wife had cancer and after the operation, was told by the doctor that if she didn't get chemotherapy and radiation it would return with a vengeance and she would be dead in two years.

Seeing the after effects of poisonous chemotherapy and toxic radiation on our friends lives, she chose to not to do either, and instead to practice a variety of holistic alternatives including her own do it yourself version of the Gerson therapy.

It's been over ten years and she is still cancer free today.

Faith has a lot to do with this. William naturally chose to place his faith in the medical and pharmaceutical bureaucracy just as he does in his government's bureaucracy because of his dependence on them to sustain him.

In contrast, my wife chose to put her faith in her body's own natural ability to sustain itself if given the opportunity to do so without the interference of drugs and radiation.

Greg

I'm glad for you and her. Good anecdote.

--Brant

[moralist]

Brant wrote:

I'm glad for you and her. Good anecdote.

Thanks, Brant.

She personally chose to assume the risk of accepting personal responsibility for her own health instead of relying on traditional drugs and radiation in which almost everyone else has put their faith.

We're a good match in that regard as we both share the same independent self reliant "pioneer" spirit.

Greg

[Jonathan]

Brant wrote:

I'm glad for you and her. Good anecdote.

Thanks, Brant.

She personally chose to assume the risk of accepting personal responsibility for her own health instead of relying on traditional drugs and radiation in which almost everyone else has put their faith.

We're a good match in that regard as we both share the same independent self reliant "pioneer" spirit.

Greg

I think I get it now. The answer to my earlier question is that your wife deserved cancer because she had been practicing the evil of going to a real doctor and was treated with scientifically tested techniques.

But then she decided, probably with a lot of your "help" in the decision making process, to give up those evil ways and to embrace your nutty quackery and magic, and thus she was rewarded with health and life!

J

[moralist]

Jonathan writes:

I think I get it now.

You'll never get it, Jonathan.

Greg

[Brant Gaede]

The heart of most solid tumor cancer treatment is surgical removal of most if not all of the cancer. Chemo and radiation is for the rest of it and scientifically up in the air through complex variabilities. It's an individual choice, always. It can go the other way from Greg's wife treatment wise. Decades ago Sandy Shaw beat her cancer by taking massive doses of antioxidants so she could better withstand the radiation. So, what was the commonality? Neither was half-assed about it.

--Brant

[jts]

But then she decided, probably with a lot of your "help" in the decision making process, to give up those evil ways and to embrace your nutty quackery and magic, and thus she was rewarded with health and life!

J

It seems that chemotherapy and other forms of poison therapy are based on science (presumably the science of health) and Gerson therapy and other forms of nutrition therapy are nutty quackery and magic. So health by poison is consistent with the science of health, and health by nutrition is not.

At the risk of lecturing ...

Healing is 'magic' to the extent that your science of how the body works is not advanced enough to understand it. But even if we do not fully understand it, we can accept it as fact, however 'magical' it may seem. Even if we don't know fully in biochemical detail how the healing process works, we can observe conditions that support or oppose the healing process.

One condition that supports the healing process is rest. Shelton lists 5 kinds of rest.

1. physical rest --- cessation of physical activity

2. mental rest --- cessation of mental activity

3. emotional rest --- cessation of emotional activity

4. sensory rest --- close eyes, be in a quiet place

5. physiological rest --- fasting

Somewhere in that list should be keeping warm.

All kinds of rest together can be called total rest or complete rest. Rest conserves energy. This leaves more energy that can be used for healing.

Sleep. Rest merely conserves energy but sleep generates energy. Rest is like turning off electrical appliances to conserve battery energy. Sleep is like charging the battery. There is a saying: blessings be upon him who invented sleep.

To get maximum value from a fast, you want to rest as much as possible during the fast. You may be physically able to be up and around and to work during a fast but that is not how to get maximum value from a fast.

Body shutdown: Someone who thought he knew lots because he had a university degree told me that fasting is no good because it involves 'body shutdown' as he called it. I don't see this as a negative unless there are things you need to do that you can't do. During a fast you are supposed to be shut down. That is how fasting works. It's called rest.

Analogy with sleep: An alien from another planet where sleep is unknown takes on a human body and experiences sleep for the first time. He is terrified by the loss of consciousness. He associates that with a process of dying. But we earthlings know that loss of consciousness during sleep is not something to be afraid of and it is how sleep works.

Another condition that supports the healing process is nutrition.

But my lecture is probably long enough already.

[Brant Gaede]

Health by "poison" is a valid approach in some cases. In some preventions it's called hormesis. Some radiation is good for you. We all live a sea of background radiation. The statistical risk of cancer decreases with the altitude you live at. I'd never worry about radon daughters in my basement.

--Brant

[Jules Troy]

I work with radiation (Ir192) YAY I'm gunna live to be 300!

[moralist]

Jerry writes:

It seems that chemotherapy and other forms of poison therapy are based on science (presumably the science of health) and Gerson therapy and other forms of nutrition therapy are nutty quackery and magic. So health by poison is consistent with the science of health, and health by nutrition is not.

Isn't that a riot? Poison heals... and nutrition kills!

It shows how effing stupid and gullible people are to blindly believe what government educated "experts" tell them...

... while rejecting their own innate common sense.

I tell you, this is a form of cultural insanity.

Greg