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In sort, take an Oath of Poverty.

Most of us do not have land to grow our own food on. What do you suggest that the Landless do?

Ba'al Chatgzaf

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I can't figure out how a goat can provide both meat and milk.

Easy first you milk it then you slaughter and eat it. Next question?

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It isn`t Janet again is it... I am not clicking just in case.

huh?

In sort, take an Oath of Poverty.

Most of us do not have land to grow our own food on. What do you suggest that the Landless do?

Ba'al Chatgzaf

Buy food in farmers markets which are unregulated and untaxed. They are the black market of food.

I can't figure out how a goat can provide both meat and milk.

Kinder goats. The doe can produce 150lbs (cleaned and processed) of meat per year by slaughtering its kids, plus it produces an average pf two quarts milk per day. You dont kill the doe obviously. You keep it and eat its kids, and drink its milk. (I wish they didnt call goat offspring "kids" >.<)

For more info:

http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/sanderson95.html

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I can't figure out how a goat can provide both meat and milk.

And so un-Kosher!!

Mixing dairy and meat!!

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I can't figure out how a goat can provide both meat and milk.

And so un-Kosher!!

Mixing dairy and meat!!

Not so. Ingest the milk. Wait 6 hours. Kill the goat. Eat the meat. All Kosher as long as the Goat is slaughtered correctly.

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It is not true that all farmers markets are unregulated and untaxed. They are businesses, just like any other. My favorites (one that I drive two hours to shop at) are regulated and taxed. The only "farmers markets" that I know of in my area that are not are people who pull their truck to the side of the road and hang out with a homemade sign.

I've joked a bit here, and now I'm nitpicking, but the point is that living in the way the article describes is not as easy as the author claims. Nor do some people find that kind of lifestyle desirable. Although sometimes I envy the (seeming) simplicity of it.

Ba'al, for the landless, I presume that you would trade something of value that you have to someone like me who does have land and a garden. (Although, if my son and I had to actually survive from the fruits of my gardening labor, we'd starve.)

As for bitcoins and other similar digital currencies, I don't get the point. One must purchase bitcoins with "real" money, to the tune of $199.99 per bitcoin last time I checked. How is this workable?

As for bittorrent, that's a whole heated debate regarding property rights that needs to be dealt with. The article assumes the reader has no qualms about stealing digital property. It also assumes the reader is tech-savvy enough to find trustworthy sources of the stolen digital property, download it, convert it, and present it - along with all the requisite applications to handle all of that. Plus, they must own a computer with the horsepower to serve up today's high-def media. (Ba'al, maybe this is a skill you have that you could trade for food?)

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Ba'al: Capital G for goat? I think that the Lamb was the intended Sacrifice, but, indeed, the Greek Orphic cults did chase, kill, and eat goats. That was part of the problem, was it not, all the Greeks hanging out with Jesus: Mark, Philip, Luke, Andrew... Even Simon was nicknamed "Peter" (Rocky).

Back on topic: This "agorist" nonsense goes back millennia. Alexander the Great's mother was an Illyrian. The classical Greeks found the Illyrians charming in a rustic kind of way, pirates and all that. The Romans admired the Germans for the same thing. The Germans were bad slaves, but so admirably rustic and wild and not at all citified and sissified. Henry David Thoreau...

In point of fact, it is empirically true that farmers are less secured of food than city people. When farms fail, farmers go hungry. City people just pay more to import food from farther away. Even during the wars of religion when the Spanish surrounded Dutch towns, the towns that let the price of food rise found smugglers willing to take the risk. We know for a absolute statistical fact that in England of the middle ages, though regional farm failures were reported, the prices of food commodities hardly moved at all. Who suffered in the Dust Bowl? Did Oklahoma City go without food because the local farms failed?

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Capital G for goat?

Goat is deliscious - Island folk like Jamaicans, Indian folk from the Guianas make a delicious curried goat stew served in "Roti," which is:

Roti is a popular flatbread in the regions of South America that have East Indian influences in their cuisine, such as Suriname and Guyana. Roti is similar to both Indian flatbreads and to tortillas - it's a simple dough that is rolled out in a circle, and cooked on a hot griddle. It can be stuffed with potatoes or lentils before it's cooked (dhalpuri), used as a wrap, or simply served on the side of a plate of curry or dhal, to help soak up all of delicious sauce. These roti are thin, soft, and pliable, and can be made with white or wheat flour.

http://southamericanfood.about.com/od/breads/r/roti.htm

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I have a brother in law who leads this type of life, off grid. He is a full fledged leftist, and the only way he can make his commune fly is by skirting the very laws he would impose on others: building codes, workers' comp laws, zoning laws, food safety laws, coercive taxation laws, etc. etc. I am sure when his back gives out he will move on to Plan B, i.e., become a ward of the state in some form or fashion. A fair number of "off grid" folk are only "off grid" until the bullets start to fly, so to speak.

I agree that a capitalist could do this lifestyle with far more intellectual integrity, but I have never really seen the virtue in eating alfalfa, living around animal shit, being deprived of air conditioning, and otherwise working like a slave.

And, mindful of those among us who may have delicate constitutions, let's not even talk about the horrors involved in using "outhouses".

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And, mindful of those among us who may have delicate constitutions, let's not even talk about the horrors involved in using "outhouses".

David,

What's wrong with outhouses?

I had to use one in Coeburn, Va., until I was 7 years old, and for several years thereafter when my family and I went back to visit. (After diapers, when I was still too little to walk the dirt path to the outhouse by myself, I used a white-and black tin poop bucket with a lid, so those years don't count.)

I have fond memories of stepping on nightcrawlers in my bare feet on the dirt path at night. Cold and squishy. :smile:

Also, we had a Sears catalog for toilet paper, so there was never any lack or reading or dreaming about things to buy when sitting on the throne. :smile:

My father had a story about when he was growing up down there. During Halloween, one of the tricks the kids used to do was push the outhouses over at all the neighbors. One guy got pissed that this happened every year, so he moved his outhouse right before nightfall and set it beside the hole instead of over it. If those outhouses were anything like the one I used, those holes were usually about 10 feet deep about 3 feet across (I'm going on memory, so this might be off a little). It was dark and one of dad's friends ended up in the hole. :smile:

Interestingly enough, there is an expression, "shit end of the stick." I don't know for sure if this came from the stick they used in outhouses, but I would bet it does. What happens when people poop over a big dirt hole time after time is that the crap builds up into a hill-like shape. It finally reaches the board with the hole in it that you sit on. So there is a stick you have to use to spread the crap around. It's fairly long. You poke it through the hole in the board and start churning. You hold your breath and ignore the flies until your'e done. I don't know if all outhouses are like that, but the one I used was.

When you give someone the shit end of the stick, I believe that stick is the referent for metaphor.

If you have any doubts about the useful information I just provided, don't hesitate to ask.

:smile:

Michael

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Michael:

Also fond reccolections for myself.

We had an outhouse in PA. for several years also. Had to haul water from the creek by hand during the winter once we built indoor plumbing.

I also never wore shoes in PA., unless it was the weekend square dance.

Builds chatacter.

A...

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Michael:

Also fond reccolections for myself.

We had an outhouse in PA. for several years also. Had to haul water from the creek by hand during the winter once we built indoor plumbing.

I also never wore shoes in PA., unless it was the weekend square dance.

Builds chatacter.

A...

I went naked until I was 12. That's why I'm more of a character than you are.

--Brant

then I found some pants--my life was never the same

raised in the woods by wolves (I still howl a lot)

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