It Is Truly Sad That A Communist Thug Like Putin Is More Believeable Than This Administration's Secretary Of State...

[caroljane]

Like John Adams I suppose. Abigail had a good clutch on his , uh, liberal principles.

[moralist]

God almighty! Our Fearless Leader is truly our Feckless Leader. He is a disgrace. He is going to come out looking worse than Jimmy Carter if such a thing is possible.

That's bound to happen when weak feminized liberal males are elected Presidents.

He is such a pussy!

It's to be expected when you consider what elected him.

People actually do create the government in their own image.

[Harrison Danneskold]

What's scary is that putin was voluntarily elected (not to mention Obama).

And I don't think he's just a general pushover; Obama seems perfectly capable of taking a stand against freedom, selfishness ("greed") and prosperity (keystone). He only becomes spineless when dealing with miserable people.

[moralist]

What's scary is that putin was voluntarily elected (not to mention Obama).

That's because each is an accurate reflection of the values of the electorate who eagerly voted them into office.

And I don't think he's just a general pushover; Obama seems perfectly capable of taking a stand against freedom, selfishness ("greed") and prosperity (keystone). He only becomes spineless when dealing with miserable people.

Ah... and do you know why?

Obama and Putin both live by the ~same~ values.

Greg

[BaalChatzaf]

What's scary is that putin was voluntarily elected (not to mention Obama).

That's because each is an accurate reflection of the values of the electorate who eagerly voted them into office.

And I don't think he's just a general pushover; Obama seems perfectly capable of taking a stand against freedom, selfishness ("greed") and prosperity (keystone). He only becomes spineless when dealing with miserable people.

Ah... and do you know why?

Obama and Putin both live by the ~same~ values.

Greg

Ain't Democracy wonderful?

[Selene]

Ain't Democracy wonderful?

No, and that is why Madison and the boys and girls set this up as a Republic.

We are very, very far from a Republic now.

A...

[caroljane]

Thanks for the girls cred.

Abby A., Mary W.

and those they represented

[caroljane]

Hey, don't leave me out! Nobody cared more about property rights than me! Who saved the White House treasures from the beastly Canadians?

Dolley Mrs. James Madison

[Selene]

Hey, don't leave me out! Nobody cared more about property rights than me! Who saved the White House treasures from the beastly Canadians?

Dolley Mrs. James Madison

Last I checked, it was the Brilts that invaded the Baltimore Washington are...and a wonderful storm that saved the house.

[caroljane]

And from whence came those Brits, the Tower of London?

They came from Loyalist Canada in defence of their own land.

We were Canadians before Canada was.

[caroljane]

Incidentally, a singularly illtimed book has come out here recently. The author posits that a union between the US and Canada would make total economic sense and be desirable to any rational person.

I mention this because I know the author, Diane Francis, very slightly. She is a business writer with an amazing network in Canadian media and publishing. This book must have seemed like a good provocative idea at the time. I am sure it will prove unique to some thinktank mills .some of them maybe helped finance it.

[moralist]

Ain't Democracy wonderful?

No, and that is why Madison and the boys and girls set this up as a Republic.

We are very, very far from a Republic now.

A...

Exactly.

The problem is that the US has degenerated into just another dime a dozen European liberal socialist democracy where the moochers and looters have discovered that, as the political majority, they can simply VOTE their own benefits.

Greg

[moralist]

Incidentally, a singularly illtimed book has come out here recently. The author posits that a union between the US and Canada would make total economic sense and be desirable to any rational person.

I hope that never happens...

The US would only drag Canada down to its level.

Greg

[moralist]

What's scary is that putin was voluntarily elected (not to mention Obama).

That's because each is an accurate reflection of the values of the electorate who eagerly voted them into office.

And I don't think he's just a general pushover; Obama seems perfectly capable of taking a stand against freedom, selfishness ("greed") and prosperity (keystone). He only becomes spineless when dealing with miserable people.

Ah... and do you know why?

Obama and Putin both live by the ~same~ values.

Greg

Ain't Democracy wonderful?

Only for European socialists...

Greg

[caroljane]

Not just Europeans. I am rather fond of democracy.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

I am rather fond of democracy.

Carol,

Would you be so fond of democracy if you were a black person in the deep south during Jim Crow days and found yourself surrounded by KKK members? What if they took a vote?

That's good ole' democracy fer ya'.

Michael

[caroljane]

Democracy in America helped ensure that those atrocities were shown for what they were, and prosecuted. Not the local thought majorities, not the state legislators, but the exerted power of a democratically elected federal government, acting to promote the general welfare and protect life and liberty to those who had been deprived of them.

[caroljane]

If you are interested, the postwar US president I admire the most after Truman, is Eisenhower.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Democracy in America helped ensure that those atrocities were shown for what they were, and prosecuted. Not the local thought majorities, not the state legislators, but the exerted power of a democratically elected federal government, acting to promote the general welfare and protect life and liberty to those who had been deprived of them.

Carol,

Bullshit.

We have a constitutional republic based on individual rights, not a democracy.

We elect leaders with limited powers that collide against each other within that republic framework. That's why what has worked has worked so far. An excess of democracy has actually undermined that at times and allowed the government to grow to the monster size it now is.

This democracy thing is a meme that needs to die dead, expired, and no longer among the living if we want to keep the good times rolling.

When major civilizations collapse, it's not pretty. "It can't happen here" is a judgment for ostriches, not liberty-loving individuals.

Michael

[caroljane]

According to your preamble, the republic was founded to "promote the general welfare" as well as the protection of individual liberties. Was this phrase just included as filler?

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Carol,

Promote means make conditions for others to do it. Protect the peace. Things like that.

Promote does not mean provide food, clothing, shelter, health care, and entertainment.

Besides, "general welfare" in that context does not mean "welfare checks."

Michael

[Samson Corwell]

Carol,

Promote means make conditions for others to do it. Protect the peace. Things like that.

Promote does not mean provide food, clothing, shelter, health care, and entertainment.

Besides, "general welfare" in that context does not mean "welfare checks."

Michael

General welfare pretty much meant or means, so I've been told, things like infrastructure, not luxuries, like you say.

[Samson Corwell]

Democracy in America helped ensure that those atrocities were shown for what they were, and prosecuted. Not the local thought majorities, not the state legislators, but the exerted power of a democratically elected federal government, acting to promote the general welfare and protect life and liberty to those who had been deprived of them.

Carol,

Bullshit.

We have a constitutional republic based on individual rights, not a democracy.

We elect leaders with limited powers that collide against each other within that republic framework. That's why what has worked has worked so far. An excess of democracy has actually undermined that at times and allowed the government to grow to the monster size it now is.

This democracy thing is a meme that needs to die dead, expired, and no longer among the living if we want to keep the good times rolling.

When major civilizations collapse, it's not pretty. "It can't happen here" is a judgment for ostriches, not liberty-loving individuals.

Michael

I think the democracy deal instead of republicanism lives so strongly in the minds of westerners because democracy can be seen as an extension of self-government.

[Selene]

Carol,

Promote means make conditions for others to do it. Protect the peace. Things like that.

Promote does not mean provide food, clothing, shelter, health care, and entertainment.

Besides, "general welfare" in that context does not mean "welfare checks."

Michael

General welfare pretty much meant or means, so I've been told, things like infrastructure, not luxuries, like you say.

You have been misinformed.

Try reading the Federalist papers and particularly Madison's Federalitst #14, it is understood that the Federal government's jurisdiction is " ...to be limited..."

In Federalist 45, he clearly stated that, "The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal governmemt are few and defined." There is no fucking miscommunication as to what they meant.

There was no fucking doubt as to what the Framers ment. NONE.

Read the Federalist papers and stop being "told."

A...

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

I think the democracy deal instead of republicanism lives so strongly in the minds of westerners because democracy can be seen as an extension of self-government.

Samson,

I don't agree. I think it is a form of mental laziness or maybe cognitive bias. People go to the polls to vote, so they automatically assume the government itself is a democracy

To realize that the USA government, instead, uses democracy only in specific limited functions requires looking at the nature of government and a bit of study. I imagine most people are too busy leading their daily lives to care so long as things work more or less the way they are supposed to.

Michael