Alternate History now taking place in the Ukraine

[BaalChatzaf]

Have you ever wondered what it would have been like if the British had not sold the Czechs out in 1938? Then see what is happening in the Ukraine now. The Russians and sending major military force into Ukraine. And the U.S. and other western powers are not going to appease Putin. So there will be fight.

If such a fight had taken place in 1938 and Germany had been bloodied e by the Czechs maybe the Generals and the People of Germany would have seen Fearless Leader for what he was and maybe we would not have had the second world war that we know and love.

If the Russia and Ukraine go at it we shall see how much help the western powers are. At least the U.S. is not selling the Ukraine out.

[Selene]

At least the U.S. is not selling the Ukraine out.

Really?

How so?

Am I not aware of some "non-boots on the ground" ground troops with boots, that the Commander of Cliches has sent to help the Ukraine?

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[Selene]

Here Bob:

The Russian president is reportedly planning to leave the summit early on Sunday and miss its official lunch in response to repeated criticism from western leaders.

The move comes after Tony Abbott, the Australian Prime Minister, threatened to "shirt front" Mr Putin - a form of physical confrontation. Stephen Harper, the Canadian Prime Minister, told Mr Putin: "I guess I'll shake your hand, but I'll only have one thing to say to you - get out of the Ukraine."

Mr Cameron told Mr Putin that he is at a "crossroads" and could face further sanctions after the pair held "robust" discussions on Ukraine.

During a tense 50 minute meeting Mr Cameron warned that Russia is risking its relations with the West and must end its support for Russian separatists.

Here is the article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11232995/Vladimir-Putin-to-leave-G20-early-after-tense-meeting-with-David-Cameron.html

I think our metrosexual President is in Burma pissing off Burmese people.

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[BaalChatzaf]

At least the U.S. is not selling the Ukraine out.

Really?

How so?

Am I not aware of some "non-boots on the ground" ground troops with boots, that the Commander of Cliches has sent to help the Ukraine?

A...li

John Kerry has not negotiated a "peace plan" with Russia (at least not publicly) He has not come back with a piece of paper guaranteeing "peace in our time". What he has done in secret neither you nor I know.

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Selene]

John Kerry has not negotiated a "peace plan" with Russia (at least not publicly) He has not come back with a piece of paper guaranteeing "peace in our time". What he has done in secret neither you nor I know.

Ba'al Chatzaf

And from that mirage you have deduced that the US is not "selling out" the Ukraine?

[Francisco Ferrer]

For those distressed by how little of their tax dollars go to support the Ukrainian army, here's a chance to clear out all that clutter in one's checking account:

 

http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/07/04/verified-ways-to-help-the-ukrainian-army/

 

And, as for you younger lads, the babes love men in blue berets:

 

[BaalChatzaf]

John Kerry has not negotiated a "peace plan" with Russia (at least not publicly) He has not come back with a piece of paper guaranteeing "peace in our time". What he has done in secret neither you nor I know.

Ba'al Chatzaf

And from that mirage you have deduced that the US is not "selling out" the Ukraine?

I have deduced that the power that be in charge of our foreign policy do not have the slightest idea what to do.

What would you recommend?

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Selene]

John Kerry has not negotiated a "peace plan" with Russia (at least not publicly) He has not come back with a piece of paper guaranteeing "peace in our time". What he has done in secret neither you nor I know.

Ba'al Chatzaf

And from that mirage you have deduced that the US is not "selling out" the Ukraine?

I have deduced that the power that be in charge of our foreign policy do not have the slightest idea what to do.

What would you recommend?

Ba'al Chatzaf

For starters, giving them back their weaponry that they voluntarily surrendered for the assurance that the US would defend them with force.

So much for America's comittment when the Commander of Cliches is in power.

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[Selene]

Well well, the Commander of Cliches got hacked by the Russians just around the time that the Russian thugs were taking over the Crimea.

What a coincidence.

U.S.
Russian Hackers Read Obama’s Unclassified Emails, Officials Say

By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT and DAVID E. SANGER APRIL 25, 2015

The USA governmental answer probably will be dubious. It's important to remember that NSA invaded mails from many international presidents:...

WASHINGTON — Some of President Obama’s email correspondence was swept up by Russian hackers last year in a breach of the White House’s unclassified computer system that was far more intrusive and worrisome than has been publicly acknowledged, according to senior American officials briefed on the investigation.

The hackers, who also got deeply into the State Department’s unclassified system, do not appear to have penetrated closely guarded servers that control the message traffic from Mr. Obama’s BlackBerry, which he or an aide carries constantly.

But they obtained access to the email archives of people inside the White House, and perhaps some outside, with whom Mr. Obama regularly communicated. From those accounts, they reached emails that the president had sent and received, according to officials briefed on the investigation.

White House officials said that no classified networks had been compromised, and that the hackers had collected no classified information. Many senior officials have two computers in their offices, one operating on a highly secure classified network and another connected to the outside world for unclassified communications.

But officials have conceded that the unclassified system routinely contains much information that is considered highly sensitive: schedules, email exchanges with ambassadors and diplomats, discussions of pending personnel moves and legislation, and, inevitably, some debate about policy.

Officials did not disclose the number of Mr. Obama’s emails that were harvested by hackers, nor the sensitivity of their content. The president’s email account itself does not appear to have been hacked. Aides say that most of Mr. Obama’s classified briefings — such as the morning Presidential Daily Brief — are delivered orally or on paper (sometimes supplemented by an iPad system connected to classified networks) and that they are usually confined to the Oval Office or the Situation Room.

Still, the fact that Mr. Obama’s communications were among those hit by the hackers — who are presumed to be linked to the Russian government, if not working for it — has been one of the most closely held findings of the inquiry. Senior White House officials have known for months about the depth of the intrusion.“This has been one of the most sophisticated actors we’ve seen,” said one senior American official briefed on the investigation.

Others confirmed that the White House intrusion was viewed as so serious that officials met on a nearly daily basis for several weeks after it was discovered. “It’s the Russian angle to this that’s particularly worrisome,” another senior official said.

While Chinese hacking groups are known for sweeping up vast amounts of commercial and design information, the best Russian hackers tend to hide their tracks better and focus on specific, often political targets. And the hacking happened at a moment of renewed tension with Russia — over its annexation of Crimea, the presence of its forces in Ukraine and its renewed military patrols in Europe, reminiscent of the Cold War.

Inside the White House, the intrusion has raised a new debate about whether it is possible to protect a president’s electronic presence, especially when it reaches out from behind the presumably secure firewalls of the executive branch.

Mr. Obama is no stranger to computer-network attacks: His 2008 campaign was hit by Chinese hackers. Nonetheless, he has long been a frequent user of email, and publicly fought the Secret Service in 2009 to retain his BlackBerry, a topic he has joked about in public. He was issued a special smartphone, and the list of those he can exchange emails with is highly restricted.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/26/us/russian-hackers-read-obamas-unclassified-emails-officials-say.html?emc=edit_na_20150425&nlid=53564225

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