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Does America have any pride or honor or self-respect?

North Korea has, in effect, just declared war on the United States. The moment we discovered the true identities of the Sony computer hackers, and the new-9/11 threateners, we should have bombed 5 of their movie studios and 50 of their movie theaters out of existence. Better yet, all of the dictatorial leadership's homes and offices should have been destroyed, along with 10 of their best communist party headquarters, and all of their nuclear weapons facilities.

There should be an immediate special White House screening and super-gala, featuring the movie The Interview, with all of the film's stars and makers. There should also be many government-sponsored movie shorts instantly created showing Kim Dung-un and company getting killed, tortured, raped, and humiliated beyond all endurance.

North Korea should also be swamped with an ocean of ultra-powerful offshore radio and t'v' broadcasts mocking and insulting communism, tyranny, the Great Leader, the Dear Leader, and the current noxious insect Fuhrer. That slave state should also be carpet-bombed with millions of computer memory sticks showing the whole movie which instigated this event, dubbed into Korean, plus the subtitled original version. It should end with a two-second clip of President Obama telling Kim Dung-un: "Go fuck yourself!"

This is war. America should defend itself.

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Totally agree with you.

The only problem with your scenario is that we would have to drop the 5 movie studios and the 50 movie theaters into North Korea before we made them go BOOOOM!

Although, upon further consideration, we could export ours to them and kill two birds with one attack.

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Impeccable timing, though, with the normalization of relations with a murderous communist dictatorship immediately following the successful (so far) challenge to the exercise of the first amendment, in America, by another murderous, communist dictatorship.

This, and calls by Hillary to have empathy for, say, the Taliban, who recently intentionally targeted many dozens of innocent children for murder, and I think I am justified - to paraphrase the great and dearly-missed Nathaniel Branden - in believing that the whole world has lost its mind.

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Point of information!!

I thought that the US intelligence agents were toadies who lied for the administration?

Weapons of mass destruction...

Yellowcake...

Oops sorry that was that evil Fascist Bush, not the most angelic, person of true justice and the MOST TRANSPARENT Administrator in US history!

So, can we trust the intelligence that it was the North Koreans?

Is so, show us the information, Mr. Transparncy...

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So now it's Kim Jong's turn to bitch slap America & Obama, knowing our Messiah will, at best, offer cookies & milk in return.

He has seen what Russia, Venezuela, China and the thugs in the Middle East can get away with. He's all in.

-J

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Obama and his spokesman, this past day or so, keep referring to a "proportional response" to this act of war. That isn't victory. That isn't defeating tyranny and evil. The North Koreans stole hundreds of millions of dollars of unreleased movies, and threatened a new 9/11. They need to be punished. If possible, large amounts of money, natural resources, and land need to be taken from them in retribution. Justice needs to be triumphant. The North Korean government should to be overthrown, and their leaders executed, on general principles. But now it needs to be done much more. America and its allies should do this.

If humanly possible, America should liberate the morally-gray people of North Korea for a profit. These folks are both the victims of the dictatorship, and the current victimizers and threateners of Sony and America. The strongest war theorist I know is the late John David Lewis (1955-2012). In a private discussion I had with him in about 2007, he agreed with me that North Korea was America's hardest foreign policy problem intellectually. Unfortunately, neither one of us had good answers then.

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Apparently, the FBI [no longer the Jimmy Stewart FBI], may have been incorrect about North Korea being behind the SONY hack.

However, South Korea will be announcing later today that:

Seoul (AFP) - South Korea's defence ministry said Tuesday that North Korea appeared to have achieved a "significant" level of technology to miniaturise a nuclear device to be fitted on the tip of a missile.

The ministry made the warning in a white paper due to be released later Tuesday, although defence officials said the nuclear-armed North has yet to demonstrate its miniaturisation capacity.

"North Korea's capabilities of miniaturising nuclear weapons appear to have reached a significant level," the ministry said in a statement.

Interesting failure of policy since 1954.

http://news.yahoo.com/n-korea-significant-tech-build-mini-nuclear-device-065354864.html

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North Korea's nuclear program constitutes an objective threat to the West, especially to South Korea, Japan, and America. It should be neutralized forthwith, i.e. terminated. In a rational and virtuous world any number of Western nations besides these three would also do so. But that's not what the world is like today. That's not what the world was like when monster-nations Russian, China, and Pakistan got their nukes either. So sad and mad!

There's a price to be paid for philosophic incompetence. Call it wide and deep horror and terror.

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Does America have any pride or honor or self-respect?

North Korea has, in effect, just declared war on the United States. The moment we discovered the true identities of the Sony computer hackers, and the new-9/11 threateners, we should have bombed 5 of their movie studios and 50 of their movie theaters out of existence. Better yet, all of the dictatorial leadership's homes and offices should have been destroyed, along with 10 of their best communist party headquarters, and all of their nuclear weapons facilities.

There should be an immediate special White House screening and super-gala, featuring the movie The Interview, with all of the film's stars and makers. There should also be many government-sponsored movie shorts instantly created showing Kim Dung-un and company getting killed, tortured, raped, and humiliated beyond all endurance.

North Korea should also be swamped with an ocean of ultra-powerful offshore radio and t'v' broadcasts mocking and insulting communism, tyranny, the Great Leader, the Dear Leader, and the current noxious insect Fuhrer. That slave state should also be carpet-bombed with millions of computer memory sticks showing the whole movie which instigated this event, dubbed into Korean, plus the subtitled original version. It should end with a two-second clip of President Obama telling Kim Dung-un: "Go fuck yourself!"

This is war. America should defend itself.

Not a good idea. The Chinese would object and we are in hock to the Chinese.

Ba'al Chatzaf

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Not a good idea. The Chinese would object and we are in hock to the Chinese.

Ba'al Chatzaf

Doesn't not doing what is right to preserve our security have a price also?

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Some reasons why USA should start a war against North Korea:

1. USA is addicted to war. Look at all the jobs that would be lost if peace broke out. The withdrawal symptoms would be terrible.

2. The prez of USA gets to show off the size of his balls.

3. The prez of USA gets a Nobel peace prize.

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Not a good idea. The Chinese would object and we are in hock to the Chinese.

Ba'al Chatzaf

Doesn't not doing what is right to preserve our security have a price also?

Maybe doing in Kim and his buddies is right, but bombing N. Korean civilians? I do see that as being very useful.

Perhaps rigging up a plan to eliminate the Kim clan (and friends) and liberate the people of N. Korea would be more usegful

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News reports say America retaliated "proportionally" against North Korea's unprecedented aggression by blacking out their miniscule internet for a few days and economically desanctioning a handful of their leaders. But did their dictators even notice? Can't get more feckless, wimpy, and impotent than that, folks!

America lost the war.

And China, Russia, the jihadis, and everybody else noticed. Deleterious consequences are sure to follow soon. :sad:

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What if North Korea didn't do it? What is the source of your information? Government? Government is not a reliable source of information.

JTS raises an excellent point.

There appears to be some serious doubt as to whether N. Korea was the culprit.

This regime seems to always have its agenda first and the country way down the list of priorities.

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More bear-baiting--of the United States. But who is the baiter? Self baiting?

It could have been an inside job by fired or to be fired Sony employees.

Since these stupid wars tend to last over a decade--and spread--might not we wait a while before launching our bombers and ICBMs and everything else?

But if we do--let's let everybody have it! Get it over with once and for all. Then nobody will fuck with us again--or be able to--if we're still around to be fucked with.

Of course, then, when the aliens arrive . . .

--resident wimp

(In early 2003 there was a lot of chatter on the old Atlantis or the new Yahoo Atlantis II, about invading Iraq--some "libertarian" even started a new Yahoo pro-war Group--a sort of well known fellow who became better known thereby, who had the mind but not the body to personally go and join the fight. We took him at his word--sort of. The last time I had such an urge was in the fall of 1990. Theorectically, at the age of 46, I coulda gone. But someone at 46 has responsibilities 21 year olds usually don't. The problem is when the shit finally reaches up to your nose and still climbing, it tends to get your attention. In a sense we need to bring back the draft and apply it only to college students and only for the army. Then whenever the President, religious nuts, corporations, blood lusters, William Randolph Hearst [oops!--he's dead] et al., want to start a war we could-would have riots in the streets. Or, the draft could be applied to men in their 40s only. If they aren't up to the rigors of hiking around with 80 lb packs and body armor, we could skip the armor and send them in with helicopters. The best people to draft? Women in their 20s. And only take the most beautiful. No lesbians either. I think that'd stop everything right in its tracks. Personally? I'm still waiting for a good fight. I'm waiting for the home invaders. Boy! Are they gonna get it! And before I call the cops for the clean up after I strangle them with their intestines, I'm going to wash myself in their blood! It will be GLORIOUS!)

Kyrel: if you want a rational discussion, you'll need to ramp it up

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More bear-baiting--of the United States. But who is the baiter? Self baiting?

It could have been an inside job by fired or to be fired Sony employees.

Since these stupid wars tend to last a decade--and spread--might not we wait a while before launching our bombers and ICBMs and everything else?

But if we do--let's let everybody have it! Get it over with once and for all. Then nobody will fuck with us again--or be able to--if we're still around to be fucked with.

Of course, then, when the aliens arrive . . .

--resident wimp

Brant with a three point multi media argument that hits - swish!

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Smells like a psyop. An excuse for war. It would not be the first time.

OK JTS, a little specificity please?

Spanish-American War?

Gulf of Tonkin event?

A...

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Smells like a psyop. An excuse for war. It would not be the first time.

OK JTS, a little specificity please?

Spanish-American War?

Gulf of Tonkin event?

A...

"Weapons of Mass Destruction" and Iraq was somehow responsible for 9/11 and the necessary thing was to take down Saddam Hussein.

--Brant

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