jts Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Read this anti-capitalist article by Paul Craig Roberts.The Social Costs Of Capitalism Are Destroying Earth’s Ability To Support Life — Paul Craig RobertsFirst we should define capitalism so we know what we are talking about. Capitalism is defined as a social system based on recognition of rights. In order to be opposed to capitalism you gotta be opposed to rights. Are you opposed to rights?All those problems he blames on capitalism probably could be looked upon as violations of rights or at least poor public relations.How would you write an article defending capitalism against this article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Read this anti-capitalist article by Paul Craig Roberts.The Social Costs Of Capitalism Are Destroying Earth’s Ability To Support Life — Paul Craig RobertsFirst we should define capitalism so we know what we are talking about. Capitalism is defined as a social system based on recognition of rights. In order to be opposed to capitalism you gotta be opposed to rights. Are you opposed to rights?All those problems he blames on capitalism probably could be looked upon as violations of rights or at least poor public relations.How would you write an article defending capitalism against this article?Capitalism???? When the Soviet Union existed it did more to wreck the environment than any other industrialized nation. It turned Lake Baikal from the largest deepest freshwater lake in the world to a fetid puddle.China is making its contribution to Industrial Ugly even as we converse....Ba'al Chatzat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 China is making its contribution to Industrial Ugly even as we converse....Ba'al ChatzatTypical Capitalist Lies - look how perfect our highways are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moralist Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 jts writes: First we should define capitalism so we know what we are talking about. I have a simple working definition... Capitalism: ETHICAL WIN/WIN business transactions Anything else is NOT Capitalism. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 jts writes:First we should define capitalism so we know what we are talking about.I have a simple working definition...Capitalism: ETHICAL WIN/WIN business transactionsAnything else is NOT Capitalism.GregWorthless unless someone remembers or back reads your other posts.--Brantthen not so worthless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moralist Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Brant writes: Worthless unless someone remembers or back reads your other posts. It's certainly worthless to anyone who isn't ethical regardless of what they read or remember. Whoever chooses to live by that simple principle will never have to worry about money for the rest of their life. It's the key to success in business as well as in life. The problem is that Capitalism isn't what most people think it is... and believing that lie is what insures their failure. Ayn Rand summed up Capitalism in Francisco's money speech as well as anyone could. "Money will not serve the mind that cannot match it." Money demands of you the highest virtues, if you wish to make it or to keep it." Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Ethical: is this subjective?--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moralist Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Brant writes:Ethical: is this subjective?In my subjective opinion, it isn't... but I am.What is ethical is objective... and our subjective responses will either agree or disagree with it. Never take my word for anything. Find out for yourself empirically. Simply do something you believe is ethical and then watch what happens as the result of what you did. Objective reality will let you know in no uncertain terms whether what you did agreed or disagreed with what is ethical.Take another look at Ayn Rand's words. Those are moral axioms.Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 do ethics flow logically from physical law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 do ethics flow logically from physical law? Depends on what ethics you're talking about respecting objectification. Going deeper everything does, including any ethics right or any ethics wrong.--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moralist Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Bob writes: do ethics flow logically from physical law? Physical law governs everything physical... whereas ethics pertain uniquely to the right and wrong of how humans treat each other. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Hell, as soon as Paul Craig Roberts moves into a place like this, I might start listening to his warnings about capitalism:You don't get to eat off of capitalism and stay within it by choice soaking up all the benefits, then bitch about how evil it is. Not unless you want people to think that you, yourself, are an evil capitalist.It's a words and deeds kinda thing.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Bob writes:do ethics flow logically from physical law?Physical law governs everything physical... whereas ethics pertain uniquely to the right and wrong of how humans treat each other.GregFine. Keep in mind that we are wet machines.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Fine. Keep in mind that we are wet machines....Evita's minions will LABEL you sexist for that one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Fine. Keep in mind that we are wet machines....Evita's minions will LABEL you sexist for that one...My neurons are not affected by that possibility.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moralist Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Fine. Keep in mind that we are wet machines....You can't do that because you don't have a mind......only a brain. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Fine. Keep in mind that we are wet machines....You can't do that because you don't have a mind......only a brain. GregO.K. Keep in brain that we are wet machines.....We are big bags of mostly water.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Fine. Keep in mind that we are wet machines....You can't do that because you don't have a mind......only a brain. GregO.K. Keep in brain that we are wet machines.....We are big bags of mostly water....Who's going to do that when there is no such thing as "you"?--Brantsuper bags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moralist Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Fine. Keep in mind that we are wet machines....You can't do that because you don't have a mind......only a brain. GregO.K. Keep in brain that we are wet machines.....What's doing the keeping?Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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