Canadian Politics: Boring beyond Belief, or just Dull and Tedious?


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I know practically nothing about Faith Goldy. Could someone please tell me what, if anything, is behind the accusations that she's a "white nationalist" and a purveyor of "hate speech"? Does she identify herself as a "white nationalist," or is that a label that others have applied to her? Will someone please post specific examples of "hate speech" that she has committed?

Please, pretty please, don't post videos which don't contain what I'm asking for. Please, extra pretty please, don't post videos of a random someone else's opinion that Ms Goldy is obviously bad and icky because here's another video where she didn't do what someone thinks she should have done, and it's therefore proof that she's racist and a hater, but I won't just fucking summarize what she did or didn't do, no, I expect you to spend hours chasing down something that you don't know what you're looking for, and I expect you to interpret whatever it is through my emotions and personally distorted lens.

Someone, please, cut to the chase, get to the point, post your evidence, make your case.

Tanx,

J

 

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Jonathan,

I can give you my view off the top of my head.

Back during the Charlottesville event, Faith was a reporter for a Canadian alt media company called Rebel Media.

She saw everyone going crazy yelling white supremacism all over the place, so she thought it would be a good idea to interview the Daily Stormer (who was at the event) to see what they had to say. Instead of coming at them hard and grandstanding on them to their face, telling them what scum of the earth they were, blah blah blah, she did a simple interview.

The press went apeshit, said she was humanizing the subhuman, blah blah blah and Rebel Media fired her. The anti-Trump  crowd, including the fake news media, have called her a white supremacist ever since. If you look at Canadian press, for example, they always say, "white supremacist Faith Goldy," even when they are not discussing anything to do with race.

(Truth be told, Rebel Media should have been ashamed of themselves. Ezra Levant is still somewhat respected among pro-Trumpers, but he now has the reputation of a pussy who will choke when the going gets rough.)

It's been a while since I heard that interview, but nothing stood out to me at the time as her promoting white supremacism. She was simply friendly to a white nationalist group she wanted to interview and asked questions.

I found the interview on YouTube of all places. I don't feel like listening to it again, but if you want to, you can see if my memory is accurate.

Michael

EDIT: To be on the safe side, I decided to listen to it again. In addition to questions, she bashed the local police for not protecting the event properly and told the Daily Stormer people they did all their paperwork correctly to do the demonstration, they deserved equal protection under the law, etc. She also bashed Antifa, BLM, the left, etc.

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1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Jonathan,

I can give you my view off the top of my head.

Back during the Charlottesville event, Faith was a reporter for a Canadian alt media company called Rebel Media.

She saw everyone going crazy yelling white supremacism all over the place, so she thought it would be a good idea to interview the Daily Stormer (who was at the event) to see what they had to say. Instead of coming at them hard and grandstanding on them to their face, telling them what scum of the earth they were, blah blah blah, she did a simple interview.

The press went apeshit, said she was humanizing the subhuman, blah blah blah and Rebel Media fired her. The anti-Trump  crowd, including the fake news media, have called her a white supremacist ever since. If you look at Canadian press, for example, they always say, "white supremacist Faith Goldy," even when they are not discussing anything to do with race.

(Truth be told, Rebel Media should have been ashamed of themselves. Ezra Levant is still somewhat respected among pro-Trumpers, but he now has the reputation of a pussy who will choke when the going gets rough.)

It's been a while since I heard that interview, but nothing stood out to me at the time as her promoting white supremacism. She was simply friendly to a white nationalist group she wanted to interview and asked questions.

I found the interview on YouTube of all places. I don't feel like listening to it again, but if you want to, you can see if my memory is accurate.

Michael

EDIT: To be on the safe side, I decided to listen to it again. In addition to questions, she bashed the local police for not protecting the event properly and told the Daily Stormer people they did all their paperwork correctly to do the demonstration, they deserved equal protection under the law, etc. She also bashed Antifa, BLM, the left, etc.

The above has been the standard tactic of the left, which is why I don't take leftists at their word when they call anyone "white nationalists," "white supremacists," or practicers of "hate speech."

Thanks, MSK.

Anyone else? Opposing view, along with evidence? Proof?

J

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Today is election day in Quebec. I will try to find an example from the English language debate between party leaders. But until I can here is my 'on four legs' explanation of the choices available to voters for filling the 125 seats in the next National Assembly:

First, the dissolved assembly ...

Standing of parties in 49th National Assembly in Quebec, elected 2014

Parti Liberal de Québec 70           Philippe Couillard                                   
Parti Québecois 30          Jean-François Lisée
Coalition Avenir Québec 22          François Legault
Québec solidaire 3          Manon Massé/Gaétan Châteauneuf

 

  • The Liberals are the 'conservative' party in Quebec.
  • The PQ is a democratic-socialist, independentist/sovereigntist party.
  • CAQ coalition is a gallimaufry of statist-libertarian-conservative-soft-sovereigntist elements, having budded off and merged with various currents of an actual conservative party that peaked in 2008 and then slowly dissolved in recriminations.
  • The 'solidarity' party is the one that appeals to communists and feminists without actually being communist.  The leftmost party, very strong on the island of Montreal's working class/hipster ridings, which of course makes little sense but hey.

My prediction is that the "nationalist" CAQ coalition will top the polls tonight, eking out a small majority ... or perhaps a thumping majority.  Tomorrow morning everyone will get up and get back to being contentious and stylish and boring to everyone outside Quebec.

The 39-day campaign in 9 seconds ...

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55 minutes ago, william.scherk said:

Today is election day in Quebec. I will try to find an example from the English language debate between party leaders. But until I can here is my 'on four legs' explanation of the choices available to voters for filling the 125 seats in the next National Assembly:

First, the dissolved assembly ...

Standing of parties in 49th National Assembly in Quebec, elected 2014

Parti Liberal de Québec 70           Philippe Couillard                                   
Parti Québecois 30          Jean-François Lisée
Coalition Avenir Québec 22          François Legault
Québec solidaire 3          Manon Massé/Gaétan Châteauneuf

 

What are the smear labels for these people and their parties? What do their enemies call them and accuse them of? Or, maybe I should ask, if their political enemies were modern reporters, and decided to report their own emotional interpretations rather than just sticking with facts, how would they label them?

I'm just looking for and suggesting consistency.

J

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J'avoue que je n'ai pas une compréhension substantielle des questions ci-haut - ni une supposition décente à une réponse utile ...

Sauf que ... je suggérerais «cherche et tu trouveras» ... pis sinon tant pis:

 

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Tabarnine de binne, tabarnique, tabarnache, tabarnouche, pas mal fucké, man. Mon chum m'avait dit "Va t'faire foutre au bas d'plafond, muthafukka" ...
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Thank you, put your keys and passes in the bowl when you're done, put all your personal shit in the boxes. You've got about two weeks to get the rest of your shit out of here. Bye for now.

Commie-lite got as many seats as the PQ. Tabarnouche!

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-- click and go, or ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.  This will be the Coalition of Rampant Buzzwords' first-ever time at bat.

In other sinkholes of ennui slash Canadian news, British Columbia will build its gigantically-costly liquefied natural gas port at Kitimat. What makes it especially snore-making is that the NDP and Green Party are in a razor-thin majority coalition. Although the environmentalist's choice, the parties have had to accept economic reality. That means they've approved or are building 3 massive new energy projects since they came in.  Busy.  40 Billions investment in Kitimat LNG. Z$$$$$zzzzzzzzzzzzz 

Spoiler

 

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23 hours ago, william.scherk said:

CAQ coalition is a gallimaufry of statist-libertarian-conservative-soft-sovereigntist elements, having budded off and merged with various currents of an actual conservative party that peaked in 2008 and then slowly dissolved in recriminations.

-- this failed to make clear that the CAQ is a party of 'the right,'  that its victory is the first 'the right' government in Quebec in 52 years. For those who celebrate such things in foreign lands, it's party hat time.

Since the end of Maurice Duplessis's Union Nationale last century, power has alternated between the Liberals and the Parti Quebecois. This is also the first time a 'soft-nationalist' party has pushed the PQ aside. That means there will not be another referendum on independence for the foreseeable future.  The PQ laid out its plan to hold a referendum in its second mandate, and failed to crack 20%.

This could the end of the hard-core independentists as a political force. No Quebexit for you!

Here's what the fake news is saying:

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Quebeckers have elected a right-leaning government for the first time since 1966, choosing the upstart Coalition Avenir Québec while soundly rejecting the two parties that governed the province and drove Canadian national unity debates for five decades.

The CAQ, a collection of federalists and former separatists, including leader and long-time politician François Legault, swept vast regions of the province right up to the doorstep of Montreal to win a strong majority.

“Today we made history. Today many Quebeckers set aside a debate that divided us for 50 years. Today Many Quebeckers have demonstrated that it’s possible to make adversaries from yesterday work together for tomorrow,” Mr. Legault said in his acceptance speech.

The results were a historic reversal for a province where the Parti Québécois and Liberals dominated 13 straight elections and fought two referendums on independence that threatened to tear Canada apart. Both suffered record defeats in popular vote. This was only the third election for the CAQ and the first win by a right-leaning party since the Union Nationale 52 years ago.

Soundly rejecting, swept vast regions, divided for 50 years, historic reversal. It's all kinda got a ring to it.

The only politics more boring than Canadian politics is ... Minnesota politics. There, I said it.

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Dates; PQ bested by QS ... party time for hipster commies
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On 9/29/2018 at 4:06 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:
On 9/29/2018 at 3:28 PM, william.scherk said:

I love a good crushing.

William,

Oh good.

Then you are going to love it when Trumpism finally infects Canada and crushes crony elitism.

It will take some time since there is such lethargy in Canada, but it is coming.

And I'm so happy you will love it.

:) 

Michaelhe

Your imaginative grip on Canada's future is duly noted, Madame Cleo. Let's just get us all through to midterm triumphs first, shall we?

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"I liked Q's early work."
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On 10/2/2018 at 11:59 AM, william.scherk said:


The only politics more boring than Canadian politics is ... Minnesota politics. There, I said it.

Yeah. Yawn.  Accusations, which are supported by some evidence, of violent abuse committed by a Muslim Democrat within the past few years against a liberal woman just aren't anywhere near as interesting as unsubstantiated accusations by a liberal woman against a Christian Conservative. Yawn. Turn the channel to the Kavanaugh thing. Can't get enough of it! Nothing to see here about Ellison. 

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1 hour ago, william.scherk said:

Your imaginative grip on Canada's future is duly noted, Madame Cleo. Let's just get us all through to midterm triumphs first, shall we?

William,

Does this count?

Quebec elects CAQ majority government, Liberals see historic losses

I don't know much about CAQ, so I'll have to take the article's word for it for now. And the article says (my bold):

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Coalition Avenir Québec, a right-of-centre party that has never held power, will form a majority government in Quebec, dealing a historic blow to the incumbent Liberals.

. . .

The election also saw major losses for the pro-independence Parti Québécois at the hands of another emerging party, Québec Solidaire. The PQ's leader, Jean-François Lisée, resigned after losing his seat.

The CAQ, which promises to lower taxes, privatize some aspects of the health-care system and cut the number of immigrants, capitalized on an appetite for change among Quebec voters.

That sounds a lot more like Trump than most Canadian elected politicians I'm familiar with.

And the article says it got elected because of the "appetitle" for that kind of change of Quebec's voters

Does that count as an indication in William-world or does Quebec not count as Canada and the election is only my "imaginative grip on Canada's future"?

:evil:  :) 

Michael

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It means the odds of Trudeau getting re elected next year just drastically dropped.  Quebec and Ontario have the most say in who gets elected federally.  All of western Canada could vote PC and win every seat available and it usually doesn’t mean piss all.

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When Trumpism finally infects Canada ...

4 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

That sounds a lot more like Trump than most Canadian elected politicians I'm familiar with.

And the article says it got elected because of the "appetitle" for that kind of change of Quebec's voters

Does that count as an indication in William-world or does Quebec not count as Canada and the election is only my "imaginative grip on Canada's future"?

I thought the goal posts were over there.  Hmmm.  I don't mean to be a hobgoblin, but your present confection is not consistent with your earlier confection.

You see (I guess) a wave of Trumpism about to crest or break or hit in Canada, which is fine.   Trump is not actually popular in Canada, which is fine as far as that goes.   If a  non-Trumpist Conservative like Andrew Scheer becomes Prime Minister-designate a year after your midterms, you can call him a Trumpist and that will be fine.  It is kinda like calling Obama a Marxist. Such labeling turns the average Canadian into Hugo Chavez.

(I will give this: in a country of Bible Bill Aberhart, Jean Lesage, WAC Bennett and Common Sense Revolution, there is always a taste for Trumpism in Canada; we can usefully bicker over how Trumpism is best defined**)

As with conveniently-constructed analogies and metaphors, single-characteristic rubrics like "Trumpism" can be stretched beyond the snapping point if needed by people who think in bifurcated blobs. "The Alt-Right ate my Unite the Right homework."

This is the heart of the Madame Cleo trance-logic, this right here:

6 hours ago, Quotables said:

Then you are going to love it when Trumpism finally infects Canada and crushes crony elitism.

Can you parse that?

Do you really believe an Andrew Scheer Conservative government will 'crush' crony elitism in Canada?  Do you really believe I will love it when "Trumpism finally 'infects' Canada?"  

I am going to go with no.  I do not think you believe that.  We could maybe get a five-act revenge fantasy out of it, but.

Remember, on evidence of our senses here, there remain only two bifurcated opinion choices:  get 100% behind Trump with No Criticism, or be a Hater Blob Chavez.

Which party would you vote for:  The Radical Populars or the Popular Radicals?  

I also give: now that none dare call it by its name is assured Trump support before its vote before Congress, Congreso, and Parliament, Canadian attitudes towards official Washington will soften.  I mean, the survey map above did kind of surprise me that our estimation of the country was falling along with our estimation of Trump. That doesn't sit right.

I mean, say you disdain Justin Trudeau, consider him a showboat, an economic disaster, a threat to values, a fop, an embarrassment, a lightweight, a maxed-out deficit spender who can't say no to a spending bill. Okay, let's say you HATE him.  

You don't transfer his awful characteristics onto the body politic, do you?  I mean, aside from those of you who want the Chavez in us to suffer.

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Gave a couple of gives; De-quoating; Did either the Radical Populars or the Popular Radicals publish policies? Do I hafta go to reddit?
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On 10/1/2018 at 12:36 PM, Jules Troy said:

Alex jones is in love with her lol!

I’m with Alex Jones on this one , too. 

What an incredibly intelligent young woman she is. 

She literally reminds me of Dagny Taggart! 

Dagny Taggart for Mayor of Toronto while John Galt is in DC !!!

Loving life daily in The Galch. 

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6 hours ago, william.scherk said:

Can you parse that?

William,

Sure.

Since principles seem difficult, simply follow the money. That should be easy enough to understand.

When good hefty sums start flowing into the pockets of people who produce rather than only flowing upwards in gobs to the elitists or handed out in small amounts for free to sundry underclasses, this is Trumpism.

It's not about the man. It's about the money and how to get it by producing.

Have you noticed that gotcha thinking only makes money if you work for the government or at tenured sinecures and things like that? Out in real life, it annoys people who are getting shit done and money-making opportunities tend to drift away from the gotchist.

I only say this to highlight what Trumpism is not.

:) 

Michael

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9 hours ago, Brant Gaede said:

Poor Canada. So far from Galt, so close to the United States.

--Brant

Great Canada , wealthy Canada ?? and for me it’s the most incredibly beautiful amazing country in the world with incredible Canadians ! 

My love for the United States runs deep and my love for the beautiful first amendment is endless. 

I would think that this board would be aghast at the fact that Faith Goldy ( 3rd in polling ) is not being allowed to debate with our Mayor and Mayoral candidates. 

Mayor Tory and the current number two candidate ( starts with a K , cannot recall her name though ) would be destroyed in a public debate by the brilliant rising star named Faith Goldy. 

If she does not win the Mayor of Toronto , I sure hope that she enters federal politics.

I read everything about her , I watched the videos , and heck , I even met her. 

I hope she becomes our Mayor. 

A young female Trump, right here in downtown Toronto. 

To slander this intelligent  young woman with the term white supremist Is totally ridiculous. 

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How to operate in a body politic/culture when the qualifier is the slander? Aren't white supermists evul because they want whites to have all the power?

 

And Canada can be awesome all it wants and should be, but get your own Trump, taking ours would kinda be volunteering for colonial status, it is after all America First :)

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Canadians don't want their own Trump. They prefer not to have political promises kept, tangible results delivered, and a better life. They'd rather that they and their neighbors all suffer, and suffer equally and fairly, than have a leader whose policies make everything better but who has some personality traits that they've been told not to like. They prefer to be controlled by their betters, and to surrender the fruits of their labors to bureaucrats and government employees who don't really contribute anything, but actually drain the wealth and impede its creation. They are principled people, and their scrupulous dedication to the Narrative™ outweighs the price that they have to pay in reality. A Dressy Bessy who has never produced anything in his life is a much better leader than a producer whose blunt candor makes people have feelings.

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2 hours ago, Marc said:

I would think that this board would be aghast at the fact that Faith Goldy ( 3rd in polling ) is not being allowed to debate with our Mayor and Mayoral candidates. 

Marc,

I certainly am.

At least she is getting her message out via the alt media. The gatekeepers are doing their damndest to shut down her voice. They don't want to refute her and let people choose the best argument. They want to silence her and make people accept their arguments because none other are presented in public.

That's a shit-ass way to win an argument.

And it can't last for long in the modern Internet world. God knows they are trying, but they are going to lose in the short term, not the long term like it used to be when gatekeepers had the power to make that happen.

Goldy is scaring the crap out of them. Jules quipped above that Alex Jones is in love with her. What's not evident is that Alex's audience is in love with her. And his audience is huuuuuuuge. 

The thing I personally love about Goldy is that she is everywhere in the alt universe, no matter how small. She goes to all of them she can get to and always gives it her best shot, her deepest passion and her intellectual rigor.

I would love to see her win.

She's the elitists' worst nightmare.

Young, beautiful, persuasive, passionate, intelligent, moral, and strikes the right balance between pro-Canadian and pro-individual, meaning anti-globalist to the core.

Michael

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