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Beck on Fabian Socialism - Wolf in Sheep Garb

(Note from MSK: this thread started as a discussion on another here: The Chuck Woolery Solution for Oil - Invade Canada. Since my post started as an answer, I have quoted the question below.)

It looks like Glenn has gotten to a lot of people, high and low.

Can anybody hear what Chuck's "turning point" was at 7:30?

John,

He said, "That was it."

He was referring to the analysis Glenn Beck did on the Fabien Socialists. Here are the videos of the show that probably turned him (from October 2010).

(Note: There's a glitch in the second video where a part got repeated. Skip to about 11:30 to continue.)

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There is a very bad habit I have seen people acquire with Objectivism. Many have demonized religion so much using Randian jargon that they are extremely reluctant to look at truth staring them in the face if it comes from a source where the person is religious.

When I set up a Glenn Beck corner here on OL, there were a lot of complaints. Some people have not posted on OL since.

Yet Beck's manner of making history (the history Progressives would prefer to rewrite) go mainstream has helped turn the tide here in the USA. When I first saw the sheer competence of how Beck presented his material using original sources--including his constant admonition to not take his word for anything, but instead look it up yourself--I had no doubt that he was going to be a unique source of social change for freedom in America (and the world).

As he has been and is still being.

I'm so glad to see that Beck reached Woolery with this Fabian stuff and that Woolery is openly saying where it came from. More and more people are coming out as Beck fans as he keeps wracking up correct predictions through his analysis of history.

As a side note, his method of social analysis is simple. He uses original sources. Then he tries to link them to events. For example, if an influential person says he wants to kill folks, Beck takes him at his word and looks at the person's history. (It's appalling how many people simply brush this stuff off as, "Aw... he didn't really mean kill folks.") Then he shows where folks are being killed and how those statements influenced it.

If a person who used to say he wants to kill folks now talks love and peace, Beck looks for a turning point in the person's life. If he doesn't find one, he treats the person new statements as a ruse to hide the original agenda.

And he presents videos (or audio recordings) of people saying things in their own words.

When he finds people preaching today what other people used to preach in times past, he looks at how events turned out back then. Then he makes connections with how things are turning out now.

He's usually spot on. People who mock him almost always end up drawing the same conclusions he did as they scratch their heads wondering how he gets things right so often.

This is a very simple system and it works.

Michael

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There is a very bad habit I have seen people acquire with Objectivism. Many have demonized religion so much using Randian jargon that they are extremely reluctant to look at truth staring them in the face if it comes from a source where the person is religious.

I find that very weird. If anything, Rand has improved my opinion of religion. After all, she shows how it's really only one drop in the ocean of irrational ideas. That puts things back in perspective.

On Objectivist premises it's also easy to see *why* people like Beck are turning to religion: When virtually all atheists are also Marxists/progressives, it's difficult not conclude that religion is the good.

The only thing that can keep you from such a conclusion lies deep down in epistemology where most people just don't go hunting.

When I set up a Glenn Beck corner here on OL, there were a lot of complaints. Some people have not posted on OL since.

I think Beck's great, both as an independent mind and a likable person, and I fully agree with you on his positive influence.

Thanks for the links.

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John,

To continue with the Fabian stuff, here is the show Beck did on Oct. 7, 2010, the day after the show in the post above, because he got so much feedback.

He goes far deeper into the Fabian Society.

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I'm rewatching this stuff and I'm still blown away at how quickly people forget.

Michael

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John/Michael:

There is a very bad habit I have seen people acquire with Objectivism. Many have demonized religion so much using Randian jargon that they are extremely reluctant to look at truth staring them in the face if it comes from a source where the person is religious.

In the political campaign area where I have been involved since I was about ten (10) with the second Eisenhower - Stephenson election, religious folks have always been in the majority, silent or otherwise.

For some unexplainable reason, too many Objectivists are completely, almost pathologically, opposed to even being seen talking to a religious group.

This of course is a major reason that Objectivism has not spread the way it should have in my opinion. You have to get inside the temple to effect change on an incremental level. It is very slow work, but if you can keep your integrity it works.

Unfortunately, many Objectivists have had, self described. horrendous upbringings where religion was forced on them.. Angela, [xray], although not an Objectivist, consistently tells her horror tales at the foot of the nuns in her early schooling.

I believe that Dennis, from California, here on OL describes his horrible midwest (?) religious indoctrination as causitive to being receptive to Ayn's siren song.

I did not have that religious imprinting, even though I made my Communion and Confirmation in the Catholic Church. My father, being a Mason, had been excommunitcated by same church in the '30's, so I had a healthy skepticism and a reinforcing home environment to question, critically think and learn.

This basically set the intellectual table for me to leave the Church when, at about 12 or 13, I had to kneel to a drunken Irish priest and be slapped as I made my confirmation.

Needless to say, that was it, I vowed never to ever kneel to another person again.

Two years later, I read Atlas. Haven't looked back since.

I also discovered Beck about seven years ago while listening to a local radio show in Virgina. I thought he was brilliantly funny and quite inquisitive as to the politics of the US. He mentioned his love for Atlas Shrugged and I started telling everyone about how great this guy was.

Needless to say, he has fulfilled my expectations of his potential.

Adam

Post script:

I really like that split screen interviewing paradigm he is using. He has excellent staff people. I can remember folks here on OL questioning my when I first joined when I would talk about Beck's research teams. I had spoken to them back then and they impressed me.

I am very demanding when it comes to proof and evidence to support any argument.

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Unfortunately, many Objectivists have had, self described. horrendous upbringings where religion was forced on them.. Angela, [xray], although not an Objectivist, consistently tells her horror tales at the foot of the nuns in her early schooling.

That makes sense. My upbringing was atheist/Marxist/egalitarian.

I don't mind religion emotionally, in fact I even find it to have some bizarre appeal in case of some sects like fanatical Puritanism.

But I when I read the human rights charter, it feels as if I'm reading the words of the devil himself. :-)

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Glenn mentioned a book several times, The Road We Are Traveling: 1914-1942 by Stuart Chase, which gave an overview of what the Fabian's wanted to achieve.

At the time of the broadcast, Glenn had to get a copy from a library in Alabama since he could not find anyone else who had one. Now you can get a PDF of this book for free: The Road We Are Traveling: 1914-1942.

Chase is the guy who coined the phrase, "New Deal." For those who do not watch the video or get the PDF, here is a list of Chase's 18 tendencies taken from the Wikipedia article on him (Stuart Chase). Look at the world around you and then realize that this list was written in the 1940's.

Chase compiled a list of 18 neo-socialist tendencies. These tendencies, listed below, can be found on pages 95 and 96 of The Road We Are Traveling.

1. A strong, centralized government.

2. An executive arm growing at the expense of the legislative and judicial arms.

3. The control of banking, credit and security exchanges by the government.

4. The underwriting of employment by the government, either through armaments or public works.

5. The underwriting of social security by the government – old-age pensions, mothers’ pensions, unemployment insurance, and the like.

6. The underwriting of food, housing, and medical care, by the government.

7. The use of deficit spending to finance these underwritings.

8. The abandonment of gold in favor of managed currencies.

9. The control of foreign trade by the government.

10. The control of natural resources.

11. The control of energy sources.

12. The control of transportation.

13. The control of agricultural production.

14. The control of labor organizations.

15. The enlistment of young men and women in youth corps devoted to health, discipline, community service and ideologies consistent with those of the authorities.

16. Heavy taxation, with special emphasis on the estates and incomes of the rich.

17. Control of industry without ownership.

18. State control of communications and propaganda.

Does this sound like Hitler, anyone? It sure does to me.

But there is a difference. The stated and not-so-stated goal of the Fabian way is to take over the world by stealth, or "Nudge," as Cass Sunstein would say.

These people, essentially the Progressives, believe that individual humans are expendable for the greater good (usually a collective, but nowadays that could mean "suffering" or "the planet" or whatever). Here's the kicker. they believe that they and only they are the ones who are entitled to make that call.

In other words, everyone else has to follow their "nudges" or run the risk of falling into their category of worthless human life that should not exist. They never call it that, not since the time of eugenics and George Bernard Shaw, but that's what they mean.

Michael

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It's a fascinating list, I especially like how honest he phrases point 15. He could have said "good ideologies", but he only required "consistent with those of the authorities". I bet he did this to avoid to be mistaken for a shallow do-gooder.

That man was smart and consistent, his corruption deep down on premises most people don't reflect.

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There is a very bad habit I have seen people acquire with Objectivism. Many have demonized religion so much using Randian jargon that they are extremely reluctant to look at truth staring them in the face if it comes from a source where the person is religious.
I find that very weird. If anything, Rand has improved my opinion of religion. After all, she shows how it's really only one drop in the ocean of irrational ideas. That puts things back in perspective. On Objectivist premises it's also easy to see *why* people like Beck are turning to religion: When virtually all atheists are also Marxists/progressives, it's difficult not conclude that religion is the good. The only thing that can keep you from such a conclusion lies deep down in epistemology where most people just don't go hunting.
When I set up a Glenn Beck corner here on OL, there were a lot of complaints. Some people have not posted on OL since.
I think Beck's great, both as an independent mind and a likable person, and I fully agree with you on his positive influence. Thanks for the links.

John and Michael, I agree on all points. That cynical old saw about the enemy of my enemy is sometimes true.

Beck is our ally against the most vicious enemy, the do-gooder with future blood on his hands.

Good point on why some turn to religion, when they perceive that atheism and progressivism go hand-in-hand, unfortunately.

As long as Church and State are separate, I won't ever have a problem with religious people; I've known many I respect - and Beck is one of the most rationally moral I've heard. To my mind, he's an honorary objectivist.

Tony

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There is a very bad habit I have seen people acquire with Objectivism. Many have demonized religion so much using Randian jargon that they are extremely reluctant to look at truth staring them in the face if it comes from a source where the person is religious.
I find that very weird. If anything, Rand has improved my opinion of religion. After all, she shows how it's really only one drop in the ocean of irrational ideas. That puts things back in perspective. On Objectivist premises it's also easy to see *why* people like Beck are turning to religion: When virtually all atheists are also Marxists/progressives, it's difficult not conclude that religion is the good. The only thing that can keep you from such a conclusion lies deep down in epistemology where most people just don't go hunting.
When I set up a Glenn Beck corner here on OL, there were a lot of complaints. Some people have not posted on OL since.
I think Beck's great, both as an independent mind and a likable person, and I fully agree with you on his positive influence. Thanks for the links.

John and Michael, I agree on all points. That cynical old saw about the enemy of my enemy is sometimes true.

Beck is our ally against the most vicious enemy, the do-gooder with future blood on his hands.

Good point on why some turn to religion, when they perceive that atheism and progressivism go hand-in-hand, unfortunately.

As long as Church and State are separate, I won't ever have a problem with religious people; I've known many I respect - and Beck is one of the most rationally moral I've heard. To my mind, he's an honorary objectivist.

Tony

Well said, I agree on every point also.

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