What About Bill Cosby?


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What About Bill Cosby?

Does anyone know anything about all those rape and drugging allegations against Bill Cosby?

I mean apart from the feeding frenzy in the mainstream news.

I honestly don't know what to think yet.

I do know I don't condone rape and drugging people against their knowledge and will.

But I sure as hell don't trust the mainstream news.

I can't get it out of my mind that they actually did nail a rape charge to a popular black man in entertainment a couple of decades ago, they did it to Mike Tyson.

Also, I can't get it out of my mind that Cosby leans against the victimization narrative of the blacks, constantly telling blacks to study, work hard, build families, take responsibility for their lives, and so on. Conservative blacks are not looked on with favor by progressive blacks (and other races for that matter) and the progressives go for the jugular if they feel threatened.

Look what the mainstream did to a recent black man who stood up with an anti-Obama message and looked like he could become a real threat, Herman Cain. Suddenly women were crawling out of the woodworks to talk about his sexual misconduct. Where were they before his favorable results in the primaries when that happened?

With Cosby, this is coming right after the Democrats got their butts handed to them in the midterm elections. Could this be some kind of payback?

I don't know enough to make a judgement, but I'm not going to condemn Bill Cosby for anything until I learn more. Not based on what I have seen and heard so far. But I'm not going to defend him.

Either way this story stinks. If true, Cosby is a low down rotten scoundrel. If not true, the mainstream press is a low down rotten scoundrel.

Michael

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Here's an example of what I'm talking about.

This is presented as if it is some kind of smoking gun.

Cosby did appear a bit arrogant when asked. That's all I got out of it. I couldn't detect why from his answer, not even a hint of squirming guiltily.

If there was no public thing going on about this, I would imagine the topic itself offends his wife and he promised her not to discuss it ever again. Or he uses not talking as a specific tactic to deal with it. Or he's on an artist vanity power trip and has forbidden anyone around him to talk about it. Or any number of things, none of which prove he is a rapist.

All this proves is that he refuses to talk about it with the press. And this has been constant in everything I have seen so far.

I feel like I'm missing something...

Michael

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It's tempting to say "where there's smoke there's fire." Most rich, controversial celebrities don't get these kind of attacks.

On the other hand, I have no way of knowing, just like all sorts of claims of child abuse leveled against an estranged spouse.

NP

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Here's an example of what I'm talking about.

This is presented as if it is some kind of smoking gun.

Cosby did appear a bit arrogant when asked. That's all I got out of it. I couldn't detect why from his answer, not even a hint of squirming guiltily.

If there was no public thing going on about this, I would imagine the topic itself offends his wife and he promised her not to discuss it ever again. Or he uses not talking as a specific tactic to deal with it. Or he's on an artist vanity power trip and has forbidden anyone around him to talk about it. Or any number of things, none of which prove he is a rapist.

All this proves is that he refuses to talk about it with the press. And this has been constant in everything I have seen so far.

I feel like I'm missing something...

Michaelea

The media regard a refusal to answer questions as proof positive of guilt. I wonder if any reporter has been asked if he stopped beating his infant children.

Ba'al

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Liberals will lynch a black man. This wouldn't be the first time they tried.

--Brant

and anyone else they want to--not Obama, but if they wanted to they could have made him toast just with some of their withheld truths about him before he was even nominated in 2008 but he was too perfect a Manchurian Candidate for their purposes

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There's a timeline here. Interesting that it hits the media right on the heels of announcements of his upcoming projects. And that all of those projects then get cancelled.

I am quite certain that either "storyline" will have media legs.

Who benifits from the collapse of Cosby's financial operation? He has a billion dollars in his pocket.

Dick Gregory was on Imus this morning and discussed the Cosby situation. I will have to find it.

Thanks for this "fact pattern" D.

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I just now saw this video by Whoopi Goldberg from 3 days ago.

I think like Whoopi does here. (Not in other matters, but in this one, I am with her.)

http://youtu.be/BTebhdRvS64

There's also something else nobody is talking about, but I have seen close-up in Brazil. The behavior of up-coming actresses around a successful TV show. I used to work in TV. In Brazil, at least, if you are in power in a successful show, you don't lack for pussy to put it bluntly.

My BS meter goes off when a women puts on the Jersey of Perfect Innocent Sainthood for a time in her life when most of her colleagues were backstabbing each other to be able to get in bed with the star. But she was different. She was not that way. Right. Got it.

On first blush, the accusation looks like a smear. It just does.

The idea that a star with Bill Cosby's fame would have to drug young upcoming actresses to sleep with them is so outside the reality I have seen, my gut feeling is this has to be a progressive media hit campaign. Why drug when all you have to do is point your finger and say, "Come with me?"

And I'm not even going to go into what a jilted lover does...

I might be wrong, but my gut doesn't suspend judgment based on a lifetime of experience. So think of my bias as coming from my gut and my critical thinking as my moral value of keeping options open on matters where the facts on a specific case or cases are not clear. Like I said, I don't condemn Bill Cosby. Based on what I know so far, I don't defend him either, but I do lean that way.

Michael

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Earlier, this afternoon, CNN featured a piece about Bill Cosby "pleading" that a recent interview that he gave, not be aired, with the unstated implication that he had maybe admitted to something regarding the alleged rape charges.

Well, when they aired this segment, it turned out that Cosby did not really admit to anything regarding the charges. Rather when the interview had ended and he thought that they were no longer recording, he asked the interviewer not to show that piece. The interviewer responded that he (Cosby) had not said anything that could be constued as an admission. Cosby replied that that was true but he did not want to have said anything about the rape charges, and asked that that part not be aired and that he was appealing to the interviewer's "journalistic integrity."

So, how did CNN handle Cosby's request? They showed the entire interview - and then also showed Cosby's request made after the interview was over!

So much for "journalistic integrity!"

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I'm sad about it, and for him - whatever transpires I can't see me losing my admiration for him as a man and an actor.

There's too much that can go on between a man and a woman alone together, to judge this: especially, 30 years later. Especially in that fraught showbiz atmosphere. Especially reverse-applying today's over-protective standards. There's been a rush recently of fans from that much more permissive period, who have discovered that star x abused them and want justice. As a special woman I know says: "Keep it under your hat, sister". So trial by righteous public opinion begins.

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Earlier, this afternoon, CNN featured a piece about Bill Cosby "pleading" that a recent interview that he gave, not be aired, with the unstated implication that he had maybe admitted to something regarding the alleged rape charges.

Jerry,

I did not see that, but from the way you describe it, I believe that's the AP video in post 2 above, except CNN obviously added its own spin.

Michael

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I smell a rat. I listened to the one girl saying he gave her 2 pills and then when she woke up Bill was behind her having sex with her not "when I woke up he was raping me" it sounded too robotic like she was reading a script.

Jules,

Well, you certainly don't get the cream of the crop with this batch of accusers.

Bill Cosby’s Lawyer Calls Allegations ‘Ridiculous,’ Blames Media Frenzy

by Alex Stedman

November 20, 2014

Variety

From the article:

“This continued pattern of attacks has entered the realm of the ridiculous,” he said.

The statement came shortly after three new accusers came forward on Thursday claiming that Cosby assaulted them years ago, including Lou Ferrigno’s wife, a “One Flew Over the Cuckcoo’s Nest” actress and a nurse in Florida.

68-year-old Louisa Moritz, who played Rose in “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest,” told TMZ late Thursday that Cosby forced her to perform oral sex on him in 1971 before an appearance on Johnny Carson’s “Tonight Show.”

According to Moritz, she was waiting for her appearance in the greenroom when Cosby knocked on her door. After he implied “that he was going to see to it that [she] will become a major star through his direction,” she said he forced oral sex on her.

Moritz, like other accusers, said she kept her story to herself until the recent accusers came up.

Singer issued a statement on Thursday specifically targeting Moritz accusations, attacking her credbility.

“We’ve reached a point of absurdity,” the statement reads. “The stories are getting more ridiculous. Now this woman is claiming that something occurred more than 40 years ago and that while she was waiting in the dressing room to appear on the ‘Tonight Show,’ my client forced his penis into her mouth. I think people are trying to come up with these wild stories in order to justify why they have waited 40 to 50 years to disclose these ridiculous accusations.”

“The credibility of these stories is belied by the fact that Ms. Moritz claims that she is now a practicing lawyer, according to her official website and her iMDB page, but she is actually prohibited from practicing law after she admitted violating the Rules of Professional Conduct in her legal practice and was disciplined with public reproval by the State Bar to protect the public.”

Not exactly a paragon of truth-telling.

Or how about this from the lady who, according to the article, Cosby "put up in a penthouse at the Hilton for three weeks"?

Serignese maintains that she continued contact with Cosby for years after, and reached out to him around 1985, after she had gone through a divorce. She says Cosby went to Michigan, where she lived at the time, and she called him to go see his show. He apparently sent a limo to take her to the show, and she said he “assumed” they were going to have sex. When asked if he had given her drugs during this encounter, she said he intimidated her.

“I would say he made me take drugs,” she said. “I really don’t think that I ever had consensual sex with him, ever. It was an intimidation thing; it was a vulnerability. I put myself in the wrong place many times and then I paid the consequences.”

I'm not saying Cosby didn't sleep around. That comes with the territory of fame these days.

But when a famous male entertainer pays the bills for a non-famous pretty young woman so she can stay in a high-class hotel penthouse for three weeks (if that is true), I seriously doubt it's because she's his rape victim. At least it doesn't look like she filed a police complaint from the penthouse during those three weeks or anywhere else, for that matter. Not even from the limo he sent to pick her up after she called him.

:smile:

Michael

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I forgot to mention, when Bill Cosby came to Brazil in the 1980's, he drugged and sexually abused my dog.

It was a sad, sad day...

Michael

Did the Chihuahua suffer from PTCD?

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Here's a despicable article by Kriston Kapps in The Atlantic, the more so because of all the opinions presented as facts, then demands that the Smithsonian do this and that. Who the hell is Kapps to demand or lay down a litany of "shoulds" about anything?

Why Is the Smithsonian Standing Behind Bill Cosby?

Good for the Smithsonian for refusing to be intimidated.

However, if I read the cards right, I predict the left-wing smear machine is going to set its sites on the Smithsonian and the people involved in it.

How successful it will be will depend on a lot of factors, but I bet this is not the last mainstream article blasting the Smithsonian, and not just over Cosby.

Michael

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I doubt this will be widely reported in the lynch mentality of the current mainstream.

Florida crowd cheers comedy from embattled Cosby
By MATT SEDENSKY
November 21, 2014
AP

From the article:

As Bill Cosby's standup tour crumbled with cancellations, the embattled entertainer joked about his usual subjects of family, wives and childhood Friday to a cheering audience that greeted him with a standing ovation as he took the stage and another when he finished.

. . .

Despite everything swirling around the 77-year-old longtime entertainer, fans filled a sold-out theater in Melbourne, Florida.
Though an announcer before the show said disruptions were possible, none ever came. A radio station had offered $1,000 to anyone who would interrupt Cosby. Instead, the comedian — wearing cargo pants and a shirt that said "Hello Friend — was greeted only by a cheering, whistling, knee-slapping audience. He never came close to referencing the allegations.

At least twice, someone shouted, "We love you, Bill Cosby."

. . .

Cosby's producers said at least 28 other shows remain on his schedule through May 2015.

. . .

Cosby has never been charged with any such crime.

"I know people are tired of me not saying anything, but a guy doesn't have to answer to innuendos," Cosby told the Florida Today newspaper after the show. "People should fact check. People shouldn't have to go through that and shouldn't answer to innuendos."


Even though I highlighted the positive parts, about 70% (or more) of the article was devoted to Cosby's accusers and their stories.

But at least the positive is coming through somewhere.

It's obvious that this lynching is elite-led. Manipulation by the mainstream press.

The public is showing up in droves and giving Bill Cosby standing ovations.

I wonder if this public lynching in the press of a black man is going to backfire on those sanctimonious elites...

I doubt it, but one can hope...

Michael

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There seems to be a problem with the video embed above, but I found Glenn's comments discussed by a nest of progressives on YouTube (Young Turks):

Now here's what I found interesting. Pay attention to how the lady reacts to Glenn's allegation that the media is raping Cosby. I detect real fear there, especially as she kept returning to it. She knows the power of this accusation.

But since she feels it's OK to speculate the way she is doing--a rhetorical technique called giving with one hand and taking back with the other (now... nobody is saying he raped those women, nobody knows for sure... long pause... but yada yada yada he did he did he did)--I feel it's OK to speculate about her.

I find it entirely plausible that she has been schooled in propaganda techniques and knows perfectly well how to smear with a rape charge. But she doesn't know how to defend against it, not even when it's a metaphorical accusation. It's simply not supposed to happen to her. Since she knows the power of this particular weapon, now that it's happening, it scares the crap out of her. That's what I see on the video.

Now... nobody is saying those folks are falsely accusing Cosby of rape as part of an orchestrated backroom smear campaign by the progressive media, nobody knows for sure... long pause... but we know how they do these things, don't we? They've done them so many times before... isn't it awful when bad people media-rape celebrities like Cosby?

:smile:

Michael

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Are you guys even serious? There are eighteen different women all describing the same MO. He's probably guilty. It's quite surreal that the first place this thread goes to is a leftist media conspiracy.

Legally guilty. The only way to establish legal guilt is in court with a conviction. Was Cosby ever indicted. If not, he was never tried. In which case he is not legally guilty of these things of which he has been accused. In this country only Legal Guilt counts. Otherwise the person is Innocent.

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Are you guys even serious? There are eighteen different women all describing the same MO. He's probably guilty. It's quite surreal that the first place this thread goes to is a leftist media conspiracy.

I'm just refusing to try, convict and hang--or lynch. The same MO, btw--is there another possible explanation for that?

--Brant

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