Fukushima showing signs of possible meltdown.


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Of course the main stream media mentions nothing about it but steam was seen rising from reactor #3 this week suggesting that something is happening to cause it. The implications are ominous. Fukushima has been out of the headlines which does not mean that the disaster has been averted or resolved.

Spent fuel rods remain in great numbers in pools meant to keep them cool in precarious sinking buildings no one can dare go near. Robot controlled cranes attempt to remove rods to safer locations recently.

Many if not all of the spent fuel rods contain radioactive Plutonium which is the most toxic material known to mankind. If the rods are exposed to air, if the water leaks out of the pool on the fourth floor of the reactor building, a meltdown would follow and 89 tons of radioactive material would be released to be carried by the prevailing winds across the Pacific to the west coast of the US in 3 to 5 days and the east coast in 7 to 9 days.

Precautions could be taken but inevitably our beloved country would be inhabited by insects instead of human beings.

At least you don't have to worry about saving for retirement anymore.

Oh, and happy new year!

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Of course the main stream media mentions nothing about it but steam was seen rising from reactor #3 this week suggesting that something is happening to cause it. The implications are ominous. Fukushima has been out of the headlines which does not mean that the disaster has been averted or resolved.

Spent fuel rods remain in great numbers in pools meant to keep them cool in precarious sinking buildings no one can dare go near. Robot controlled cranes attempt to remove rods to safer locations recently.

Many if not all of the spent fuel rods contain radioactive Plutonium which is the most toxic material known to mankind. If the rods are exposed to air, if the water leaks out of the pool on the fourth floor of the reactor building, a meltdown would follow and 89 tons of radioactive material would be released to be carried by the prevailing winds across the Pacific to the west coast of the US in 3 to 5 days and the east coast in 7 to 9 days.

Precautions could be taken but inevitably our beloved country would be inhabited by insects instead of human beings.

At least you don't have to worry about saving for retirement anymore.

Oh, and happy new year!

We got a Geiger counter so as to know what's going on in our immediate environment.

Greg

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Gulch, maybe just get a good air filter for your bedroom and stop stressing over the small stuff.

http://bravenewclimate.com/category/nuclear/

Mike,

A question about your linking to that site.

I only did a bit of looking at the site, but my impression from seeing the people specifically opposed, and the "denialist" charge being used, and the nature of the remarks anti-"denialists," is that of a non-scientific agenda.

Ellen

Edit: Oops, I didn't ask the question. I wonder, did you provide the link because you're endorsing material on the site?

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Hi Ellen,

Barry Brook is the owner of the site. He is a proponent of nuclear power, I agree with his views on nuclear power. His site is an open debate style, the forum has been very active in the past with people of views all over the scientific and political spectrum participating. He has a "purpose and target audience page" here. This short video (linked on has FAQ page) is interesting. Supporting nuclear power works whether or not you believe in global warming. Reducing air pollution is a good goal whether or not you believe in global warming. Sustainable cheap and abundant energy is a necessary goal if you believe in the thriving of humans. Continuing to improve our knowledge and technical capabilities with respect to nuclear power generation is a necessary precursor to humanities ability to live on other worlds and to fully develop the potential of this one. Is it unscientific to believe all or part of that?

Mike

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Ellen,

I appreciate your attention to this. Notice how others are making light of this situation. If you google "fukushima" there are several categories most of which refer to the newly observed steam rising from reactor number 3. From what I read there are over 500 fuel rods immersed in a pool of water on the fourth floor of the mostly destroyed building. The core of the nuclear plant has already melted down. It wouldn't take much for the water to leak out of the storage pool which would lead to another meltdown of the spent fuel rods which include 89 tons of radioactive material such as Plutonium as well as Cesium, Iodine, Strontium etc.This would be released to the air and in a few days would be over the West Coast and a few days later the East Coast.

Some of the articles suggest covering all one's windows on the inside to keep stuff out. ALso suggested are NIOSH N100 filtration masks for each loved one... the N95 can keep out viruses but not radioactive isotopes which are much smaller.

This all suggests that in the near future a blanket of radioactive airborne microscopic material will cover the entire country including farmlands and cities with radioactive items which have half lives of up to "many" years. It could render farmlands toxic and the country uninhabitable.

Not a peep out of the media nor the White House!

The incidence of thyroid cancer has grown in the vicinity of the Fukushima powerplants among children who are unfortunate enough to live there. If timed right your own children could be protected using an iodide to fill normal thyroid tissue so no radioactive Iodine can get in. Talk to your pediatrician for dosage details.

I have heard the Australian physician Dr.Helen Caldicott suggest she would leave North America altogether because of Fukushima if another meltdown occurs.

Dilution over the Pacific sounds helpful but radioactive particles remain carcinogenic even in tiny dosages. There is no safe or acceptable or tolerable level of radiation of this sort.

It does not appear that those responsible in Japan are doing enough to prevent further spread of this disaster.

Life as we know it is about to change.

gg

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Ellen,

I appreciate your attention to this. Notice how others are making light of this situation. If you google "fukushima" there are several categories most of which refer to the newly observed steam rising from reactor number 3. From what I read there are over 500 fuel rods immersed in a pool of water on the fourth floor of the mostly destroyed building. The core of the nuclear plant has already melted down. It wouldn't take much for the water to leak out of the storage pool which would lead to another meltdown of the spent fuel rods which include 89 tons of radioactive material such as Plutonium as well as Cesium, Iodine, Strontium etc.This would be released to the air and in a few days would be over the West Coast and a few days later the East Coast.

Some of the articles suggest covering all one's windows on the inside to keep stuff out. ALso suggested are NIOSH N100 filtration masks for each loved one... the N95 can keep out viruses but not radioactive isotopes which are much smaller.

This all suggests that in the near future a blanket of radioactive airborne microscopic material will cover the entire country including farmlands and cities with radioactive items which have half lives of up to "many" years. It could render farmlands toxic and the country uninhabitable.

Not a peep out of the media nor the White House!

The incidence of thyroid cancer has grown in the vicinity of the Fukushima powerplants among children who are unfortunate enough to live there. If timed right your own children could be protected using an iodide to fill normal thyroid tissue so no radioactive Iodine can get in. Talk to your pediatrician for dosage details.

I have heard the Australian physician Dr.Helen Caldicott suggest she would leave North America altogether because of Fukushima if another meltdown occurs.

Dilution over the Pacific sounds helpful but radioactive particles remain carcinogenic even in tiny dosages. There is no safe or acceptable or tolerable level of radiation of this sort.

It does not appear that those responsible in Japan are doing enough to prevent further spread of this disaster.

Life as we know it is about to change.

gg

"On the Beach" "science."

--Brant

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The whole planet is Fuk'ed.

Not necessarily. Disaster is not uniformly distributed, nor is it total. Everyone's days are numbered. We just don't know what our number is. Makes life hard to ungratefully take for granted when we're faced with the reality of its finiteness.

Greg

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Not a peep out of the media nor the White House!
Doea this count as a peep?

UPDATE: Plumes of mysterious steam rise from crippled nuclear reactor at Fukushima

The Department of Health and Human Services has ordered 14 million doses of potassium iodide, the compound that protects the body from radioactive poisoning in the aftermath of severe nuclear accidents, to be delivered before the beginning of February.

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Image: Potassium Iodide (YouTube).

According to a solicitation posted on the Federal Business Opportunities website, the DHHS asks contractors to supply, “potassium iodide tablet, 65mg, unit dose package of 20s; 700,000 packages (of 20s),” a total of 14 million tablets. The packages must be delivered on or before February 1,

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The whole planet is Fuk'ed.

Not so. Any radiation from the Fuikishima plant (even with a melt down) has a limited radius.

Ba'al Chatzaf

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Not a peep out of the media nor the White House!
Doea this count as a peep?
http://www.infowars.com/us-government-orders-14-million-doses-of-potassium-iodide/

infowars.com is not a reliable source of information. That is one of many Alex Jones websites. Alex Jones is in the business of fear mongering. In that way he gets to sell you bullshit supplements. The government of Japan assures us that there is no problem with Fukushima.

Of course I look upon all governments as crookeder than a dog's hind leg and lower than a snake's belly. And I believe governments have no more respect for truth than an alley cat has for marriage. And I believe they deserve a kick in the ass so hard that they gotta clear their throat to fart. But that is because I am irrational. Rational people trust governments. You should trust the government of Japan when they tell you Fukushima is not a problem. Don't pay any attention to the ongoing Fukushima news on Rense.

Radiation is beneficial. It's the best way to get vitamin D.

Poison is beneficial too. Better than nutrition. This is proved by the fact that in the USA, nutrition therapy (Gerson Therapy) is illegal and poison therapy (chemo therapy) is enforced by law on children. Poison therapy is based on science, the science of how the body works; nutrition therapy is not based on science and therefore is quackery.

I'm really impressed by how well poison therapy works, and I'm not joking when I say that. I mean for example diabetes can be reversed in a month with Dr. Fuhrman's quackery and in 5-8 days with Gerson quackery (according to Charlotte Gerson). Holy smoke! If quackery can do that, imagine what legit science can do! I am impressed. Diabetes is trivial, no longer a serious disease.

But I have a sneaking suspicion that poison therapy is not as good as they imply. Is it really true that if you are bald you can grow new hair with poison therapy? Is it true that all the side effects are good?

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The whole planet is Fuk'ed.

Not so. Any radiation from the Fuikishima plant (even with a melt down) has a limited radius.

Ba'al Chatzaf

The radioactive materials get spread by ocean currents and wind. But they are probably limited to the northern hemisphere.

See the graphs and video of the radiation plume.

http://www.rense.com/general96/plume.html

I'm looking forward to eating radioactive salmon. But it probably will be too diluted to do much.

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Whoever suggested that there is a limited radius of danger around the Fukushima nuclear power plant disaster might want to scroll down the Fukushima radiation maps :

http://tinyurl.com/kqn2ezd

I suspect that even though the southern hemisphere appears to be free of the initial spread that in time the oceans and the atmosphere will carry the atoms which are radioactive all over the planet.

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Supporting nuclear power works whether or not you believe in global warming. Reducing air pollution is a good goal whether or not you believe in global warming. Sustainable cheap and abundant energy is a necessary goal if you believe in the thriving of humans. Continuing to improve our knowledge and technical capabilities with respect to nuclear power generation is a necessary precursor to humanities ability to live on other worlds and to fully develop the potential of this one. Is it unscientific to believe all or part of that?

Mike

I believe all of it. However, I do not applaud tying arguments for those goals to climate alarmism.

I'm inferring from your reply that you think the site has mixed features. I haven't time now to explore the material you linked. Maybe later this week (depending - lots else on tap for this week).

Ellen

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Whoever suggested that there is a limited radius of danger around the Fukushima nuclear power plant disaster might want to scroll down the Fukushima radiation maps :

http://tinyurl.com/kqn2ezd

I suspect that even though the southern hemisphere appears to be free of the initial spread that in time the oceans and the atmosphere will carry the atoms which are radioactive all over the planet.

Probably to the benefit of human life through hormensis.

--Brant

less cancer

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Whoever suggested that there is a limited radius of danger around the Fukushima nuclear power plant disaster might want to scroll down the Fukushima radiation maps :

http://tinyurl.com/kqn2ezd

I suspect that even though the southern hemisphere appears to be free of the initial spread that in time the oceans and the atmosphere will carry the atoms which are radioactive all over the planet.

Probably to the benefit of human life through hormensis.

--Brant

less cancer

That could be accomplished by spending more time outside in bright sunshine and fresh air.

Greg

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Hormensis?

As I understand it scientists have long held that matter and energy can neither be created nor destroyed. That might even be the first law of thermodynamics. Of course matter can be converted to energy and vice versa. My point is that whatever becomes of the 89 tons of radioactive fuel rods, which is probably melting down in Fukushima plant # 3 now, heating up and going into the atmosphere to be carried by the prevailing winds across the Pacific Ocean, the particles will not go out of existence!

I get it that dilution will take place as the concentration of particles spreads over a larger and large area. Some particles will be drawn down by gravity and will land in the ocean and on the ground in the United States where they will further decay according to their half life periods which vary from days to millions of years.

The fuel rods contain Plutonium one atom of which is capable of causing damage from its radioactivity to human cells and can cause cancer. So it doesn't matter how diluted the cloud of radioactive gas becomes when it reaches the East Coast in a couple of weeks. All you need is one atom of the stuff to be breathed into your lungs for it to start to do its damage.

This stuff will go around the planet and find its way back across the country again and again until it all comes out of the atmosphere altogether. But then it will be on the land including human habitations and arable land where it will get into the food we eat.

All I am saying is that this has the potential to make the Earth uninhabitable for human beings. There are 31 nuclear power plants in the US which have the same design as the Fukushima plants which suffered from the earthquake and the tsunami in Japan. Maybe that is why the media is underplaying this disaster. It could happen even here.

gg

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Hormensis?

As I understand it scientists have long held that matter and energy can neither be created nor destroyed. That might even be the first law of thermodynamics. Of course matter can be converted to energy and vice versa. My point is that whatever becomes of the 89 tons of radioactive fuel rods, which is probably melting down in Fukushima plant # 3 now, heating up and going into the atmosphere to be carried by the prevailing winds across the Pacific Ocean, the particles will not go out of existence!

I get it that dilution will take place as the concentration of particles spreads over a larger and large area. Some particles will be drawn down by gravity and will land in the ocean and on the ground in the United States where they will further decay according to their half life periods which vary from days to millions of years.

The fuel rods contain Plutonium one atom of which is capable of causing damage from its radioactivity to human cells and can cause cancer. So it doesn't matter how diluted the cloud of radioactive gas becomes when it reaches the East Coast in a couple of weeks. All you need is one atom of the stuff to be breathed into your lungs for it to start to do its damage.

This stuff will go around the planet and find its way back across the country again and again until it all comes out of the atmosphere altogether. But then it will be on the land including human habitations and arable land where it will get into the food we eat.

All I am saying is that this has the potential to make the Earth uninhabitable for human beings. There are 31 nuclear power plants in the US which have the same design as the Fukushima plants which suffered from the earthquake and the tsunami in Japan. Maybe that is why the media is underplaying this disaster. It could happen even here.

gg

William,

Information like this is really easy to find. The word is "hormesis" not hormensis. The term used by one of the participants in the forum on the website I posted earlier for contributions like what you've made in this thread is "disaster porn". I'm wondering what your MD specialty is. You don't gain credibility for anything you write with contributions like this.

Relax. Get an air filter for the wood smoke, work out, don't eat sugar, enjoy life.

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Supporting nuclear power works whether or not you believe in global warming. Reducing air pollution is a good goal whether or not you believe in global warming. Sustainable cheap and abundant energy is a necessary goal if you believe in the thriving of humans. Continuing to improve our knowledge and technical capabilities with respect to nuclear power generation is a necessary precursor to humanities ability to live on other worlds and to fully develop the potential of this one. Is it unscientific to believe all or part of that?

Mike

I believe all of it. However, I do not applaud tying arguments for those goals to climate alarmism.

I'm inferring from your reply that you think the site has mixed features. I haven't time now to explore the material you linked. Maybe later this week (depending - lots else on tap for this week).

Ellen

I found Barry Brook and his site while looking for updates during the early days of the Fukushima event and enjoyed the discussions which included many anti-nuclear and environmentalists types as well as scientists and engineers in the nuclear industry who were very well versed on the types of reactors in Japan and also in the newer designs which are much safer. I do not applaud climate alarmism but in the case of Barry Brooks I am amused by his turning the argument back on the environmental nazi's: Global warming?? The answer is nuclear power!!

I think global warming is bunk but I would prefer cheaper and cleaner energy.

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Barry Brook is the owner of the site.

Mike,

I'm doing some further exploring. The wiki article you linked begins thus:

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Barry William Brook (born 28 February 1974, in Melbourne, Australia) is an Australian scientist. He is a professor and ARC Future Fellow in the School of Earth and Environmental Sciences at the University of Adelaide, Australia, where he holds the Sir Hubert Wilkins Chair of Climate Change. He is also Director of Climate Science at the Environment Institute and co-runs the Global Ecology Lab.

Recall that in my initial reply to you, I said:

[....] I only did a bit of looking at the site, but my impression from seeing the people specifically opposed, and the "denialist" charge being used, and the nature of the remarks anti-"denialists," is that of a non-scientific agenda.

Explaining why I got that impression on only a quick look:

Glancing at the tabs at the top, I noticed one labeled "Sceptics" and I clicked thereon, to find:

link

I dont refute this nonsense by constructing a new argument each time which, point-by-point, shows why their claims are not supported by the evidence. This is pointless, since the majority of non-greenhouse theorists (pseudo-sceptics) blithely ignore any such counterpoints and simply repeat the same arguments elsewhere. Instead I rebut by hyperlinking to some of the wealth of explanatory material out there on the world wide web. For reasons of general accessibility, the articles l link to are predominantly pitched for a lay audience but they are consistent in linking to the peer-reviewed primary scientific literature (sometimes Ill link straight to the journal papers). I focus primarily on the science content of the piece, except where non-science arguments are clearly false and demand correction.

Spot the recycled denial I Prof WJ Collins (Posted on 15 August 2008)

Spot the recycled denial II 60 Minutes crunch time (Posted on 20 August 2008)

Spot the recycled denial III Prof Ian Plimer (Posted on 1 September 2008)

Spot the recycled denial IV Climate case built on thin foundation (Posted on 9 September 2008)

Spot the recycled denial V Prof Bob Carter (Posted on 12 September 2008)

Spot the recycled denial VI Chris Kenny (Posted on 1 January 2009)

Related posts addressing recycled denialist talking points

Q and A responses to climate skeptics arguments (Posted on 2 October 2009)

Dr David Evans: born-again alarmist? (Posted on 10 August 2008)

Dr Jennifer Marohasy ignores the climate science (Posted on 24 August 2008)

Dont be swindled (Posted on 6 September 2008)

What if the sun got stuck? (Posted on 14 September 2008)

Two denialist talking points quashed (Posted on 14 October 2008)

Response to a wine industry climate change skeptic (Posted on 11 November 2008)

What Bob Carter and Andrew Bolt fail to grasp (Posted on 23 November 2008)

Ian Plimer Heaven and Earth (Posted on 23 April 2009)

More ice, flat temperatures what does it all mean? (Posted on 27 April 2009)

Climate Denial Crock (Posted on 18 May 2009)

Temperature of science never give up (Posted on 21 Dec 2009)

Do you see why the material so far only raises warning signs? :laugh:

(I shall continue to look.)

Ellen

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I was amused to read that the Chinese ship which rescued the global warming leftists off of the first ship that got stuck in the ice pack, has itself become stuck in the Antarctic ice. The irony is delicious. This winter, the leftist global warming zombie is getting its head chopped off.

People forget the feminized hysteria of the 1970's over catastrophic man made global cooling. But I remember. It's exactly the same "only government can save us through taxation regulation and litigation" religion, except with different color wrapping on the outside.

The conditions are perfect for a cooling cycle. Historic 100 year low solar activity at the peak of its cycle. Frigid upper latitudes with draught in the lower latitudes. In Los Angeles, 2013 was the driest year since 1877 with only 3.6 inches of rainfall.

Greg

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I was amused to read that the Chinese ship which rescued the global warming leftists off of the first ship that got stuck in the ice pack, has itself become stuck in the Antarctic ice. The irony is delicious. This winter, the leftist global warming zombie is getting its head chopped off.

Michael Savage wants reparations from the University grants and the scammers who hustled taxpayer's monies through scientific fraud, e.g., Al Gore. Seize 65% of his assets.

I think is an excellent concept.

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