Natanyahu Lowers the Boom

[william.scherk]

I kind of admire Greg's complete and permanent removal from the world of government, taxes, regulations, building codes and electrical networks. He pays no taxes in any form (quite a feat), no payroll taxes, disregards his property tax assessments, keeps all his money under the mattress, empties his sewage into the bowels of the earth direct, and so on. Admirable.

William:

Certainly you know that that is clearly not his position.

How would I know that, Adam? He claims he exists apart from the terrible tendrils of governance that enslave other people (they, the poor fools, get the government they deserve). How might you describe his personal Going Galt, yourself, in detail? Greg asserts that he lives apart from the world of government, without detailing exactly how. I find this to be remarkable. How does he avoid paying taxes that other people do indeed pay, like sales, income, capital gains tax? How does he actually avoid all the tendrils that have snared the people he sneers at as having "deserved" their fates?

If there was any real truth in his assertions of having Galted himself, stepped outside of the trap others are mired in, then the entailments I have described above are the least of his triumphs. If he does not actually exist in a holy plane where the State never takes from him, never tells him what to do and how to do, never faces the IRS in the same way any other businessman would, then his statements and claims of Galting are utter bullshit.

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[Selene]

I kind of admire Greg's complete and permanent removal from the world of government, taxes, regulations, building codes and electrical networks. He pays no taxes in any form (quite a feat), no payroll taxes, disregards his property tax assessments, keeps all his money under the mattress, empties his sewage into the bowels of the earth direct, and so on. Admirable.

William:

Certainly you know that that is clearly not his position.

How would I know that, Adam? He claims he exists apart from the terrible tendrils of governance that enslave other people (they, the poor fools, get the government they deserve). How might you describe his personal Going Galt, yourself, in detail? Greg asserts that he lives apart from the world of government, without detailing exactly how. I find this to be remarkable. How does he avoid paying taxes that other people do indeed pay, like sales, income, capital gains tax? How does he actually avoid all the tendrils that have snared the people he sneers at as having "deserved" their fates?

If there was any real truth in his assertions of having Galted himself, stepped outside of the trap others are mired in, then the entailments I have described above are the least of his triumphs. If he does not actually exist in a holy plane where the State never takes from him, never tells him what to do and how to do, never faces the IRS in the same way any other businessman would, then his statements and claims of Galting are utter bullshit.

Bill:

He has removed himself to the best of his ability.

He insures his vehicles for liability and tags.

I do not know this as a fact, however, I am sure he pays sales taxes and files with the IRS.

Since he has been on OL, he has been quite clear, at least to me.

Moreover, he has a quite well shielded defensive argumentative structure.

At any rate, he has been personally responsible in his life, he has created a positive home for himself and his family.

A...

[Wolf DeVoon]

You're an apostate, an escapee, no longer part of the herd.

Infinitely harder to escape from Gaza. No cultural tradition of individualism. Apostacy is punishable by death.

Are you sure about this, Wolf -- that apostasy in Gaza is punishable by death?

I dunno. Literature talks about honor killings and feuds -- but there's this item:

"In Gaza, the death penalty is enforced for various crimes, and members of the Ahmadi community hide their true beliefs." http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/137789#.U-JyxWMnjIU

[Brant Gaede]

I kind of admire Greg's complete and permanent removal from the world of government, taxes, regulations, building codes and electrical networks. He pays no taxes in any form (quite a feat), no payroll taxes, disregards his property tax assessments, keeps all his money under the mattress, empties his sewage into the bowels of the earth direct, and so on. Admirable.

William:

Certainly you know that that is clearly not his position.

However, you do get a gold star for hyperbolic refutation.

Since I have read almost everything Greg has written on this site, I can state categorically your representation of what he does is so distorted and wrong there's no point in refuting any of it leaving behind some thin truth you may have stumbled on. It should be flushed "into the bowels of the earth direct."

--Brant

in fact, every word you wrote is just wrong

[Selene]

"In Gaza, the death penalty is enforced for various crimes, and members of the Ahmadi community hide their true beliefs." http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/137789#.U-JyxWMnjIU

Was not familiar with this twig of the Muslim tree.

I did not check this, however, at least I have some perspective. It appears to be quite pro-Amadi.

Q: What is the difference between an Ahmadi Muslim and other Muslims? [Question submitted by Abdul Salam Khan, Peshawar, Pakistan]

A: Firstly — The non-Ahmadi Muslim stops short of accepting the full implications of the Quranic verse which declares the Holy Prophet Muhammad to be Khatam an-Nabiyyin — i.e., the Last Prophet. The obvious corollary of this position is that the Holy Prophet Muhammad has been vested with mankind's spiritual leadership for all time. The non-Ahmadi Muslim's belief that about the end of the world, Jesus Christ will be sent down from heavens for the reformation of the world amounts to the transference of the world's spiritual leadership from the Holy Prophet Muhammad to Jesus Christ, thereby terminating, to all intents and purposes, the Holy Prophet's spiritual dispensation.

The Ahmadi Muslim on the other hand, believes that the Holy Prophet's spiritual leadership extends for all time to come, and the question of Jesus Christ's second coming, therefore, does not arise.

Secondly — Another belief of the non-Ahmadi Muslim which amounts to a denial of Khatam an-Nabiyyin isthat, according to him, the spiritual experience known as "revelation" has come to an end. Now this strikes at the very root of the whole purpose of the institution of prophethood. Prophets were raised from time to time for the express purpose to bring man closer to God — so close as to have a personal experience of His existence and presence. The only means which forges such a personal link between man and his Creator is the spiritual experience known as revelation, in which man becomes the recipient of the word of God. But for such an experience man's faith in the very existence of God lacks that clear-cut conviction which comes when we actually hear someone speaking to us. No doubt the whole universe, with all its wonders of designing and workmanship points to the existence of a Master Mind behind it, and mere rational thinking also inclines us to the conclusion that all this wonderful universe could not have come into being just by accident, that behind it all, there must be a Mind, a Will, a Purpose who has created it, is guiding and controlling it, and ensuring its smooth running. This is indeed what philosophy and science attempt to tell us. But the only conclusion that is reached by this process is that God must be there to run this whole show. But the philosopher's must be ispoles removed from the prophet's is. The prophet tells us from his personal experience that he has heard the voice of God speak to him, and that is the end of all groping and doubting. What was hitherto accepted as only highly probable now becomes a reality as clear-cut as day-light. All clouds of doubt are dispelled. A prophet's appearance, with a clear-cut clarion proclamation that he has seen and heard God, at one stroke illumines the whole landscape of human life, lifting the veil from the mystery of life, and driving home to the deepest depths of the human mind the conviction that God is the only Reality, the very Substratum who sustains all existence and makes life, with all its ups and downs, its sunshines and shadows, meaningful, worth living, even enjoyable. This is the vital role which the institution of prophethood plays in the game of life, and that is why from time immemorial prophets were raised to shed light on life on this otherwise dark and dismal planet.

My interest began to wane at this point...

http://aaiil.org/text/questionsanswersislamahmadiyya/differenceahmadimuslim.shtml#divEmailFriend

[moralist]

Victimized by our "leaders"? our own stupidity?

Neither, Wolf.

We can only be victimized by our own lack of values. It's completely self inflicted.

My own personal financial situation has no relation to that graph simply because I chose not to run with the herd. That's what going Galt is all about.. No one takes Atlas Shrugged seriously as an American Capitalist business operations manual, so by default they end up slaves of that chart.

Greg

Well, that's the whole deal about individualism, right?

Not really, Wolf...

It's actually more an issue of living by different values than it is individualism solely for its own sake. Criminals can be individualists, too.

You're an apostate, an escapee, no longer part of the herd.

I see my situation is much less hyperdramatic terms than you do because your view is from the outside in as a stranger.

For me it is simply a case of others diverging from my path. From my point of view, I see most of America as apostate because they're the ones who have abandoned the American value of governing yourself, for big government European liberal socialism... while I have not. I continue to govern myself as an American even if no one else does.

Infinitely harder to escape from Gaza. No cultural tradition of individualism. Apostacy is punishable by death.

...only for those stupid enough to stand up and shout, "I'm an apostate!"

Leaving is never punishable by death... because you are no longer there. Did you know that 1.5 million Arabs live and work in Israel?

BTW, you're wrong about "no one takes Atlas Shrugged seriously as a business operations manual." BB&T bank did.

Well, I'm glad to hear that.

Greg

[william.scherk]

The gross insanity is greatest in Ukraine. The United States should jerk itself, NATO and western Europe the hell out of there immediately. The Vietnam War made more sense in the context of seemingly powerful worldwide communist expansion--but Russia, today?

Why should Europe, NATO and the USA 'jerk themselves' out of Ukraine, Brant? Does it make sense to you to let undemocratic Russia do what it wishes with Ukraine? Shouldn't we consider what the stakes are in Ukraine, all the players, all the contingencies? I read you as implying you consider Russia's actions in Ukraine to be relatively unremarkable, or maybe you figure Russia's seizing of Crimea and military operations in 'Novorossiya' to be benign, or benign enough to raise no alarm in Tucson.

Appeaser.

The two, big problems are from the two sovereign nation states of Iran and China. Or, Iran and the bomb and China and its hubris. Today American hubris has spread America way too thin. It needs to disengage as rationally as possible where it can when it can but unless it starts right now in Ukraine any rationality in foreign policy is a sick joke. John Kerry as Secretary of State makes for a better clown. Not a very good clown; I didn't say that. You can't be a good clown if you're made up to look like someone important.

You're a clown. There. Easy to slap a label on something, ain't it?

I would sure like to see a paragraph or two that shows your understanding of the sprawling mess in Ukraine, and what in particular should/should not be done by the USA, its NATO allies, and the European Union. Maybe start with the association agreement signed between Kiev and Brussels. Maybe not. Maybe just another enigmatic potshot.

the only thing the Arabs have going for them is the demographic weapon of out-breeding host countries' native populations as in France, so France will go absolutely fascist in 10-20 years (sooner is possible) to keep them from taking over the country by democratic means

Oh noes! The Arabs slash Muslims (aren't they are one and the same?) of France will grow from 4 percent of the population to, oh, let's guess ... eleventy-five! And then France will plunge into the Dark Ages. Or something. Fiddle-de-dee.

"Them" taking over, huh? The 'host countries' ... the chills down the spine. Infectious and deadly. Islam. I figure that every nation that tried to establish dominion in the world by conquest and subjugation (like the French Empire), colonized or seized power in Islamic nations (Hi, Great Britain), or that has deep and enduring military-political alliances within the Islamic World (Hello, USA, hello Emirates, hello Saudi!) will have to deal with the mutual interpenetration of the various parts of its previous empires or zones of influence. American University in Doha, Cairo, Lebanon, Grand mosque in London, Washington and Paris.

-- silliness aside, the demographic threat of Them to France is mostly hoax and bad math. What is clear is that the general trend toward smaller families is also catching the Muslim population. So the inevitable incline of bad muslim births against good non-muslim births is, er, evitable. I would say the greater problem for France vis a vis Les Musulmans is integration. The system in France has allowed or encouraged or built racial segregation and social exclusion. This is the tinderbox, the menace to society, in my opinion.

(Brant, near to half the Muslims in France are not Arab, just so you know)

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[Wolf DeVoon]

For me it is simply a case of others diverging from my path.

330 million walked away from you?

[Brant Gaede]

The gross insanity is greatest in Ukraine. The United States should jerk itself, NATO and western Europe the hell out of there immediately. The Vietnam War made more sense in the context of seemingly powerful worldwide communist expansion--but Russia, today?

Why should Europe, NATO and the USA 'jerk themselves' out of Ukraine, Brant? Does it make sense to you to let undemocratic Russia do what it wishes with Ukraine? Shouldn't we consider what the stakes are in Ukraine, all the players, all the contingencies? I read you as implying you consider Russia's actions in Ukraine to be relatively unremarkable, or maybe you figure Russia's seizing of Crimea and military operations in 'Novorossiya' to be benign, or benign enough to raise no alarm in Tucson.

Appeaser.

The two, big problems are from the two sovereign nation states of Iran and China. Or, Iran and the bomb and China and its hubris. Today American hubris has spread America way too thin. It needs to disengage as rationally as possible where it can when it can but unless it starts right now in Ukraine any rationality in foreign policy is a sick joke. John Kerry as Secretary of State makes for a better clown. Not a very good clown; I didn't say that. You can't be a good clown if you're made up to look like someone important.

You're a clown. There. Easy to slap a label on something, ain't it?

I would sure like to see a paragraph or two that shows your understanding of the sprawling mess in Ukraine, and what in particular should/should not be done by the USA, its NATO allies, and the European Union. Maybe start with the association agreement signed between Kiev and Brussels. Maybe not. Maybe just another enigmatic potshot.

the only thing the Arabs have going for them is the demographic weapon of out-breeding host countries' native populations as in France, so France will go absolutely fascist in 10-20 years (sooner is possible) to keep them from taking over the country by democratic means

Oh noes! The Arabs slash Muslims (aren't they are one and the same?) of France will grow from 4 percent of the population to, oh, let's guess ... eleventy-five! And then France will plunge into the Dark Ages. Or something. Fiddle-de-dee.

"Them" taking over, huh? The 'host countries' ... the chills down the spine. Infectious and deadly. Islam. I figure that every nation that tried to establish dominion in the world by conquest and subjugation (like the French Empire), colonized or seized power in Islamic nations (Hi, Great Britain), or that has deep and enduring military-political alliances within the Islamic World (Hello, USA, hello Emirates, hello Saudi!) will have to deal with the mutual interpenetration of the various parts of its previous empires or zones of influence. American University in Doha, Cairo, Lebanon, Grand mosque in London, Washington and Paris.

-- silliness aside, the demographic threat of Them to France is mostly hoax and bad math. What is clear is that the general trend toward smaller families is also catching the Muslim population. So the inevitable incline of bad muslim births against good non-muslim births is, er, evitable. I would say the greater problem for France vis a vis Les Musulmans is integration. The system in France has allowed or encouraged or built racial segregation and social exclusion. This is the tinderbox, the menace to society, in my opinion.

(Brant, near to half the Muslims in France are not Arab, just so you know)

I didn't know. Thanks.

Let's see, Russia being a bad boy means that's the business of America. The "business of America" turned "The Great War" into WWI and made WWII possible along with communism in Russia and Nazism in Germany. And the Cold War. Don't forget the Middle East! This site is Objectivist Living which refers to a certain philosophy which supposedly makes no case for this kind of international interventionism you are endorsing. Nor does any libertarianism. It's irrational. Since Russia is chock full of nuclear weapons and delivery systems and stupidity, one has to consider the chances of nuclear war, about the only war it is capable of effectively waging except, perhaps, turning off the natural gas.

--Brant

[Mikee]

I kind of admire Greg's complete and permanent removal from the world of government, taxes, regulations, building codes and electrical networks. He pays no taxes in any form (quite a feat), no payroll taxes, disregards his property tax assessments, keeps all his money under the mattress, empties his sewage into the bowels of the earth direct, and so on. Admirable.

William:

Certainly you know that that is clearly not his position.

However, you do get a gold star for hyperbolic refutation.

Since I have read almost everything Greg has written on this site, I can state categorically your representation of what he does is so distorted and wrong there's no point in refuting any of it leaving behind some thin truth you may have stumbled on. It should be flushed "into the bowels of the earth direct."

--Brant

in fact, every word you wrote is just wrong

Evidently Greg said "you get what you deserve" one too many times.

I try to find a perspective to understand why something a person says would be true. In the case of the above statement this is easy. In a pure state of nature every creature gets what it deserves. Can't find food: death. Not quick enough: death. Don't recognize danger: death. Eat poison: death. Nature is dispassionate, you screw up, you die. This fact drives evolution which has resulted in mankind and thousands of species with their own niches and strategies for survival all of which are quite beautiful. So I have no problem with "you get what you deserve". The God which Greg speaks of and evidently believes is consistent with my conception of Nature as God in this respect. To take this statement as a personal rebuke is a mistake.

I have had personal conversations with Greg, both via email and by phone. He explained a perplexing electrical problem I was trying to troubleshoot at my wife's daughters house in the LA area near where Greg lives. I have a lot of experience in electrical wiring (I have upgraded and completely rewired two houses to code) I am an electronics engineer by trade. Greg is a master electrician. He has also built his own house and I believe he is a master mechanic. I think Greg could do anything he set his mind to. I have found him to be completely honest, which is a very big deal with me, and his unique take on things to be refreshing and thought provoking. I haven't met Greg in person yet but would be happy to do so, he is welcome at my house anytime.

[moralist]

For me it is simply a case of others diverging from my path.

330 million walked away from you?

Not 330 million... and certainly not from me personally. They simply rejected the American values I live by. And since those values are bigger than me because I did not create them, it's impossible for them to walk away from me personally.

I'd hazard a wild guess that well over half that number have abandoned the American value of governing themselves, and instead chose to be governed by a big liberal socialist bureaucracy. And my evidence for that is the existence of a big liberal socialist bureaucracy. If people governed themselves, that government simply would not exist.

Greg

[moralist]

I kind of admire Greg's complete and permanent removal from the world of government, taxes, regulations, building codes and electrical networks. He pays no taxes in any form (quite a feat), no payroll taxes, disregards his property tax assessments, keeps all his money under the mattress, empties his sewage into the bowels of the earth direct, and so on. Admirable.

What a wild imagination!

Instead of being bitter about your own slavery, why not free yourself by realizing the truth that your slavery is completely self imposed?

Until you see for yourself the objective reality that it's your own damn fault...

...you will never be free.

Greg

[Wolf DeVoon]

Greg is a master electrician.

Oh. That explains a lot. Thanks.

[Samson Corwell]

Baal, I always find your style entertaining and I respect your opinions. In the case of Israel/Palestine, however, I am in favor of a two state solution and I'm not entirely happy with how Israel's officials have been handling Gaza, etc.

[Mikee]

Greg is a master electrician.

Oh. That explains a lot. Thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e4Ao-iNPPUc

[Wolf DeVoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e4Ao-iNPPUc

ZSENIÁL!!!! Megyek, felfedezem a többi dalukat 

[william.scherk]

Are you sure about this, Wolf -- that apostasy in Gaza is punishable by death?

I dunno. Literature talks about honor killings and feuds -- but there's this item:

"In Gaza, the death penalty is enforced for various crimes, and members of the Ahmadi community hide their true beliefs." http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/137789#.U-JyxWMnjIU

A death penalty can be issued by the Gazan authorities for murder and for collaboration with the enemy (Israel), according to my reading. I've been checking with the local Gaza civil society/human rights orgs, such as they are, for information on executions. The authorities in Gaza, much less than a state and more than a government, are supposed to reflect the primary law (that setting up the 'constitution' of the proto-state Palestine aka the Palestinian Authority).

That constitution reads like a lot of other Mideast constitutions, windy, expository, rambling, repeating the bumf of every other one about 'the indivisible Arab Nation' yadda yadda oppression blah blah blah. But.

Although it asserts Islam as the religion of Palestine, it also asserts freedom of religion. To quote: "Islam is the official religion in Palestine. Respect for the sanctity of all other divine religions shall be maintained." This should mean that the Christians of Palestine (West Bank and Gaza) operate as they wish, and their personal status (eg, religious identity, responsibility, demands) is not subject to Sharia. Nor to Jizya. Nor to other seemingly automatic institutions of an Islamic State that harry and curb the activities of non-Muslims.

So, in this sense, then, Gaza/Palestine has more freedom of religion than America's main Arab ally, Saudi Arabia, where professing Christianity is essentially a crime, and the sword is used against apostates, idolaters and sundry non-conformists).

-- I think you're right if instead of claiming Gaza Christians face the axe, you are strongly suggesting that things ain't easy for the small Christian (and Ahmadiyya) minorities in Palestine/Gaza. According to some reports, Christian practice was subject to open suppression and punishment as recently as ten years ago, rendering meaningless any constitutional brass and flowers for the dwindling Christians. Of course, the also-dwindling Israeli Christians don't always fare much better: there has been a steady pattering of attacks and insults upon Christians and places of worship -- by Jews.

Otherwise, useful link. Thanks.

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The Ahmadi are an interesting branch or sprout off the Islamic Tree. Given the evils that the so-called Islamic State is dispensing in Syria and Iraq, I am happy to read of the utter rejection and loathing of IS by my Muslim contacts and acquaintances. Revulsion against the ethno-religious cleansing underway is attached to IS itself, though, not to any and every Muslim.

However evil and stupid are the actions and policies of Hamas, from their covenant to their Iranian/Hezbollah funding, there are worse Islamic fascists (IS/ISIS/Nusra), worse allies (Hello, Pakistan!) as gauged by the fates of religious minorities.

(Adam, here's another chance for your eyes to glaze over, another (larger) minority Muslim group: the Ismailis. You will have noted that this kind of Muslim is active in Canada. One of them is Mayor of Calgary, for heaven's sake. Brant! they are taking over up here!)

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[Wolf DeVoon]

Correct me if I'm mistaken. Chief poobah of the Ismailis is the Aga Khan? Nice man. Met him at the London Clinic.

... yep ... I clicked the link you provided. Jeez, we're both a lot older-looking!

[Brant Gaede]

I wrote off Canada a long time ago. They kept beating us off every time we tried to invade the damn place, I was just pissed.

--Brant

poor Canada, so far from God, so close to the United States (just like Mexico but colder)

[Marc]

Dennis is producing excellent videos on a wide variety of political and moral topics. Some of them are getting incredible hit rates as the notoriety snowballs. These short videos are an excellent counter to the lying leftist bull***t.

Greg

Meir Kahane RIP stated that the Israelis would use the strategy of " mouth and brain " with the "Palestinians " meaning feed them and educate them . This was a failure as Kahane knew . It created " Palestinians " who went to University and came out lawyers whom were able to go on CNN and spout fake shit ( but it sounded good to uneducated folks ) .

Finally the weak Jewish leaders who went against Ariel Sharon RIP and his " not one inch " mantra gave in and actually happily and magically created the Palestinian in the mainstream , and actually allowed such in Israel .

Now some Jews have decided to tell the truth about our homeland .

[Marc]

As by the way, I just read an article by Thomas Sowell ('Is Thinking Obsolete?') : "Some have said we are living in a post-industrial era, while others have said we are living in a post-racial era. But growing evidence suggests we are living in a post-thinking era."

It's not only intelligence - I've known too many intelligent fools- it's first and foremost seeing simple reality, then thinking about it, with whatever you've got, to the maximum. The Jews had to become past-masters at that for every generation to survive.

Love that !!!!!!!!!! Also love Sowell

[Marc]

"You can't fix stupid."

Damn..no hope for me at all!

"Puts on his (I'm fuxored cap) and goes to pout in the corner.

Me, too.

"No one truly wishes to be who they are. I had hoped for a life like David Lean or Stanley Kubrick. In a pinch, I would have settled for Fred Zinneman. What I got instead was Wolf DeVoon -- an isolated beatnik with a second-class brain, whose idea of a good time is a newspaper and a cup of coffee at Denny's." [COGIGG, p.2, quoting "Individualism", G21 Magazine]

The only rational thing for a Palestinian to do is get the hell out, by hook or crook.

How smart does someone need to be to figure that out?

The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity , They will never leave because the 22 Arab nations ( their brethren ) refuse them entry .

[Marc]

responsibility is fully on the Palestinians for how they have chosen to live.

You can't fix stupid.

It's not a matter of lack of intelligence, Adam. There are a great number of highly intelligent highly educated thoroughly evil people. It's moral values. The Palestinians freely chose the moral values by which they live, and so they get the consequences of those values.

Gr

Do they really freely choose ? Do they have a choice ( the huge majority ) any more than a North Korean chooses to pretend that Kim Jong Il or whoever actually hit 3 hole in ones in a round ? Or that a Cuban actually believes that they are winning The Revolution ? Respectufully , I ask you to enlighten me kind sir !!!

[Marc]

The Palestinians freely chose the moral values by which they live

You can't possibly be so stupid as to believe that. Women and children independently chose to live in squalor and wreckage?

Don't you understand that the people depicted in the photos get "what they deserve"? I believe Greg has mentioned this 2,206 times.

(2,207)

They are getting exactly what they deserve. The jewhating women support their jewhating husbands and the little kids are taught jewhate by their jewhating parents.

Hamas motto:

"WE LOVE DEATH MORE THAN THE JEWS LOVE LIFE."

This death spiral is completely self lnflicted.

Greg

Wow ! Love it !!!!!!!! No need to answer my last post my man !!!

[Jules Troy]

Caught between a rock and a hard place. Perhaps they should learn to bloody well behave then.