Coulter Surprised Me

[anthony]

Whynot,

But as I first learned in The Bell Curve, there is a correlation between IQ and certain anti-social behaviors. Low IQ people have higher rates of crime, drug use, unemployment, etc.

Of course there are plenty of good people with low IQs.

-NP

Neil, State Welfarism, I guess once designed to help out unfortunates (who needed temporary relief) will eventually turn full causal cycle to aid and abet self-irresponsible behaviour - and to become the sole attraction to many new immigrants (which you pointed out a while back). I was hesitant at the time, but now understand that Binswanger and Co. are dreaming - in the present political culture of the USA.

[Neil Parille]

Mark:Said: To be exact, she's a syndicated columnist -- Universal Press Syndicate -- and VDare pays to reprint her column.

Yes. I guess my suspicion is based on: (1) Coulter knows her columns are posted on VDare; (2) she knows that VDare is a race realist site; and (3) she wouldn't allow her columns to be posted on VDare if she opposed racial realism.

Even someone such as Charles Murray is cagey on these issues, but I don't doubt where he stands. There is nothing in Adios, America that indicates that Coulter thinks culture has the transforrmative power that a blank-slater such as Binswanger thinks it has.

-NP

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

... and (3) she wouldn't allow her columns to be posted on VDare if she opposed racial realism.

Neil,

Aren't you making a stretch?

Isn't just as possible the issue is normal commerce?

Glenn Beck counts Penn Jillette as a good friend and vice-versa. Does this means he supports atheism and Penn supports Mormonism? Is that what their friendship is really about? A dog-whistle?

Your logic here is coming off like that.

I get it you seem to embrace racial realism yourself--maybe you don't, but you sure seem to be pushing it hard all of a sudden. However, I don't think you are going to convince everyone that Coulter supports this when she has basically stated otherwise, pretty clearly in fact.

If you like, I can find videos.

I'm not interested in defending Ann Coulter. Bash her or support her all you like. But I am interested in accuracy when attributing beliefs to someone.

Michael

[william.scherk]

[william.scherk]

From Godless, in which Coulter devotes around a third of her pages to denouncing evolution. She endorses the Discovery Institute, and comes up with staggeringly ignorant commentary. From the opening to Chapter 8:

Liberals' creation myth is Charles Darwin's theory of evolution, which is about one notch above Scientology in scientific rigor. It's a make-believe story, based on a theory that is a tautology, with no proof in the scientist's laboratory or the fossil record—and that's after 150 years of very determined looking. We wouldn't still be talking about it but for the fact that liberals think evolution disproves God.

A single highlight from Chapter one:

Liberal doctrines are less scientifically provable than the story of Noah’s ark, but their belief system is taught as fact in government schools, while the Biblical belief system is banned from government schools by law. As a matter of faith, liberals believe: Darwinism is a fact, people are born gay, child-molesters can be rehabilitated, recycling is a virtue, and chastity is not. If people are born gay, why hasn’t Darwinism weeded out people who don’t reproduce? (For that, we need a theory of survival of the most fabulous.) And if gays can’t change, why do liberals think child-molesters can? Pedophilia is a sexual preference. If they’re born that way, instead of rehabilitation, how about keeping them locked up? Why must children be taught that recycling is the only answer? Why aren’t we teaching children “safe littering”?

For Christopher Hitchens fans, here is his review of Godless. It is hilarious, trenchant, and satisfies reason, in my humble opinion. His final paragraph:

The closing chapters are lifted from the brief submitted by the absurdly-named ‘intelligent design’ school to a recent trial in the town of Dover, Pennsylvania. Not so long ago, when the voice of liberalism was muted, the ‘Creationists’ – to give them their correct name – sought to forbid the teaching of evolution. Now that they no longer feel confident enough to impose themselves in this manner, they have fallen back on a spurious ‘equal time’ plea, whining that pseudo-science should be taught, in the name of ‘fairness’, alongside the real thing. In the Pennsylvania case, as in other recent trials in Ohio and Kansas, not only were the Creationist members of the school board thrown out by voters, but it was decided by the courts that the proposed teaching of ‘intelligent design’ was (a) a violation of the United States Constitution; and (b) a fraudulent waste of time for both teachers and judges. (By the way, it seems to me that these outcomes ought to alter the picture, beloved by so many European liberals, of the United States as a wasteland of fundamentalist knuckle-draggers). Coulter, the super-patriot and flag-waver, is a true reactionary in that she yearns for the time when the keyword of her title, as in ‘Godless Communism’, was a mantra for the simple-minded. In a world where the true enemies of civilization are much, much more godly than the blonde goddess of the hard Right, Coulter is reduced to a blitzing of soft civilian targets – one redeemed only by its built-in tendency to fall so wide of the mark.

Edited June 11, 2015 by william.scherk

[Neil Parille]

Michael,

I'm no Jim Valliant, but I've got the right to speculate. It always comes back to Jim Valliant.

Seriously, does Ann Coulter think Ashkenazi Jews have the same innate IQ as Australian Aborigines? If not, she's a racial realist.

I'll have to ask my Brazilian wife what she thinks about this. :laugh: :smile:

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Seriously, does Ann Coulter think Ashkenazi Jews have the same innate IQ as Australian Aborigines? If not, she's a racial realist.

Neil,

I disagree with the form of the question, which offers a false dichotomy.

A better form would be is the difference between the cultures of Ashkenazi Jews and Australian Aborigines due solely or even mainly to genetics? Are there other factors involved?

I don't mention what Coulter's thoughts on this comparison are because I don't know if she has ever thought about it.

Thus, I disagree with your conclusion "If not, she's a racial realist."

Your question is an already-formed answer in search of validation, not a real question.

btw - To your wife: A senhora tem bom gosto em homen.

Michael

[william.scherk]

There views may be wrong, but I can't find good essays/posts on the web making a case for the opposite.

EDIT: Actually, Ron Unz has written a good piece showing that national IQ scores can change dramatically:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/race-iq-and-wealth/

Richard Lynn did a response:

http://www.vdare.com/articles/iq-and-the-wealth-of-nations-richard-lynn-replies-to-ron-unz

-Neil

Richard Lynn, yum yum. I consider him an out and out racialist, for better or worse. Here's a passage from his essay "Race and Psychopathic Personality," Please reconsider if you believe him to be any kind of 'realist.' This article appears at the white-people-are-best-why-won't-anyone-listen-to-us site American Renaissance. Yum yum.

I propose that the variable that explains these differences is that blacks are more psychopathic than whites. Just as racial groups differ in average IQ, they can also differ in average levels of other psychological traits, and racial differences in the tendency towards psychopathic personality would explain virtually all the differences in black and white behavior left unexplained by differences in IQ.

Psychopathic personality is a personality disorder of which the central feature is lack of a moral sense. The condition was first identified in the early nineteenth century by the British physician John Pritchard, who proposed the term “moral imbecility” for those deficient in moral sense but of normal intelligence. The term psychopathic personality was first used in 1915 by the German psychiatrist Emile Kraepelin and has been employed as a diagnostic label throughout the twentieth century. In 1941 the condition was described by Hervey Cleckley in what has become a classic book, The Mask of Sanity. He described the condition as general poverty of emotional feelings, lack of remorse or shame, superficial charm, pathological lying, egocentricity, a lack of insight, absence of nervousness, an inability to love, impulsive antisocial acts, failure to learn from experience, reckless behavior under the influence of alcohol, and a lack of long-term goals.

[moralist]

Ann has a truth-full polarizing quality that separates the wheat from the chaff... as is demonstrated in this thread.

While religious right is focused on values... the religious left fixates on IQ.

Greg

[Neil Parille]

Will,

Here is another response to Unz:

http://www.vdare.com/articles/has-ron-unz-refuted-hard-hereditarianism

I don't know enough about the mechanics of IQ testing to know whether the studies that Unz cites are likely to be "random noise" as this writer asserts.

But even on Unz's terms, it seems the most he has shown is that a group's IQ is more malleable than Lynn, et al believe. It is consistent with the thesis that different groups have different ceilings

I'm not sure what the difference is between a "racialist" and a "race realist."

Unz wrote a reply to Lynn's reply, but I can't find it.

-NP

[Neil Parille]

Michael,

As Steven Pinker points out, it is very hard to come up with a cultural explanation for the high IQ and success rate of Jews. We are told that it is a "literate culture." How this results on Nobel Prizes in chemistry isn't clear.

-NP

[moralist]

As Steven Pinker points out, it is very hard to come up with a cultural explanation for the high IQ and success rate of Jews.

God's chosen people.

Never in the history of the world have so few affected so many.

Greg

[BaalChatzaf]

As Steven Pinker points out, it is very hard to come up with a cultural explanation for the high IQ and success rate of Jews.

God's chosen people.

Never in the history of the world have so few affected so many.

Greg

Frankly, I wish G-D had chosen someone else.

[moralist]

As Steven Pinker points out, it is very hard to come up with a cultural explanation for the high IQ and success rate of Jews.

God's chosen people.

Never in the history of the world have so few affected so many.

Greg

Frankly, I wish G-D had chosen someone else.

In America today, for some jews it's a blessing while for others it's a curse.

Greg

[Brant Gaede]

Michael,

As Steven Pinker points out, it is very hard to come up with a cultural explanation for the high IQ and success rate of Jews. We are told that it is a "literate culture." How this results on Nobel Prizes in chemistry isn't clear.

-NP

I hope they have a lot of children.

--Brant

[Neil Parille]

This is an almost four hour video by one Fringe Element* on race, decide for yourself:

-NP

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* Don't know much about the dude (apparently he doesn't post anymore) but I don't think I agree with his views on the Jewish genocide (to the extent that I understand them).

[Reidy]

One explanation I've seen is that medieval Europe was an experiment in selective breeding. Intellectually talented Christians went into the religious life and had no children. An intellectually talented Jew was a prime marital catch and was encouraged to marry and raise a family.

[Brant Gaede]

One explanation I've seen is that medieval Europe was an experiment in selective breeding. Intellectually talented Christians went into the religious life and had no children. An intellectually talented Jew was a prime marital catch and was encouraged to marry and raise a family.

They were also greatly confined to brainy professions, archetypically money lending.

--Brant

[anthony]

It begins with a Jewish mother--if you've not had one, it's not easy to appreciate being "driven to exceed".

[anthony]

More, it seems to be plain that "racial realism" is a non-concept, if not an anti-concept. Why specify "realism" (truth) in one area alone?

Evidently, because the feelings of a group of people are at risk of being hurt, which is the everlasting worry (and their subsequent over-compensation) of the secular Left. But it is a fine line between facing the facts unemotionally, without fear or favour - and - employing the same facts to infer inherent superiority/inferiority. That concerns some on the conservative Right, too.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Why am I going to watch a 4 hour video discussing whether a dude who measured skull size of [not clear at the beginning] to prove skull size was related to intelligence was fudging data or not?

This reminds me of the way climate change folks act when you say their doomsday prediction didn't happen. Rather than say oops, I have to rethink this, they nitpick some obscure something or someone in science to death as bogus proof that they were really right all along.

Michael

[Neil Parille]

Michael,

I'm not sure why he started the video the way he did. The relevant discussion starts around 1:40.

Fringe has an abbreviated video which cuts to the chase:

-Neil

[moralist]

Hispanic is White, and Asian is missing.

Greg

[Brant Gaede]

Michael,

I'm not sure why he started the video the way he did. The relevant discussion starts around 1:40.

Fringe has an abbreviated video which cuts to the chase:

-Neil

GIGO.

--Brant

[anthony]

Just listened to much of it and I think it's very good, if good means making you think and learning new stuff. If you can take his occasional rants, his summing up after roughly the hour mark, is worth it. It's hard to know if the facts can be argued with or the complex studies. I suspect not, generally. Ultimately, it's what one does with this knowledge that matters only (personally I have hardly ever envied anyone who has 'more' of anything than I have, similarly I can't look down on those who have 'less', especially something not of their making). There appear to be a narrow range of hereditary, biological differences in mankind and my sense is one should accept it, get used to it and then forgeddaboudit.