Mohandas K Gandhi is Rotting in Hell


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DURHAM, N.C. -- When Chad Holtz lost his old belief in hell, he also lost his job.

The pastor of a rural United Methodist church in North Carolina wrote a note on his Facebook page supporting a new book by Rob Bell, a prominent young evangelical pastor and critic of the traditional view of hell as a place of eternal torment for billions of damned souls.Two days later, Holtz was told complaints from church members prompted his dismissal from Marrow's Chapel in Henderson.

"I think justice comes and judgment will happen, but I don't think that means an eternity of torment," Holtz said. "But I can understand why people in my church aren't ready to leave that behind. It's something I'm still grappling with myself."

The debate over Bell's new book "Love Wins" has quickly spread across the evangelical precincts of the Internet, in part because of an eye-catching promotional video posted on YouTube.Bell, the pastor of the 10,000-member Mars Hill Bible Church in Grand Rapids, Mich., lays out the premise of his book while the video cuts away to an artist's hand mixing oil paints and pastels and applying them to a blank canvas.

He describes going to a Christian art show where one of the pieces featured a quote by Mohandas Gandhi. Someone attached a note saying: "Reality check: He's in hell."

"Gandhi's in hell? He is? And someone knows this for sure?"

Bell asks in the video.In the book, Bell criticizes the belief that a select number of Christians will spend eternity in the bliss of heaven while everyone else is tormented forever in hell.

"This is misguided and toxic and ultimately subverts the contagious spread of Jesus' message of love, peace, forgiveness and joy that our world desperately needs to hear," he writes in the book.

For many traditional Christians, though, Bell's new book sounds a lot like the old theological position of universalism — a heresy for many churches, teaching that everyone, regardless of religious belief, will ultimately be saved by God.

And that, they argue, dangerously misleads people about the reality of the Christian faith.

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For many traditional Christians, though, Bell's new book sounds a lot like the old theological position of universalism — a heresy for many churches, teaching that everyone, regardless of religious belief, will ultimately be saved by God.

Ted,

It looks like Rob Bell and Chad Holtz have rediscovered universalism.

Maybe some other evangelicals are rediscovering it, too.

I can think of far worse things they could be doing.

Robert Campbell

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I had never heard of Universalism as such. I found the last sentence of my first post on this thread particularly telling, an almost Objectionist view that there is no salvation outside the Church (of Ayn Rand).

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Rich Engle and I are familiar with Universalism, because the UU was formed by a merger of Unitarians and Universalists a couple of generations ago.

Universalists (who originated in a late 19th century movement) are still noticeably Christian, in ways that the average Unitarian is not.

Robert Campbell

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It is reliably suggested by his biographers that Sir Isaac Newton was a Unitarian, deriving his theology from his explorations of Arianism.

Seventh Day Adventists deny the existence of hell.

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Here is what Ghandi said concerning the Jews:

Gleaning through the elder Gandhi’s remarks, the picture that emerges is complex. This much is known: when asked what the Jews should do when they were taken to concentration camps, Gandhi said they should go willingly, their forced mass suicide itself constituting an unanswerable critique of the Nazis. John Lloyd, writing recently on Prospect’s blog First Drafts, said, “To attempt to overthrow tyranny, or even to oppose genocide, became for Gandhi an act almost as bad as tyranny or genocide itself.”

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As far as I am concerned Ghandi can go to Hell and burn their for the rest of eternity.

Ba'al Chatzaf

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And according to this book, (Who In Hell?)

http://www.amazon.com/Who-Hell-Guide-Whole-Damned/dp/0679764844/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1300997741&sr=1-1

Ayn Rand is down (up? whatever!) there toasting along with everyone else the authors think deserved it. :o

By the way, traditionalist conservative/fervent Catholic/narcissistic computer-geek columnist for the now-defunct (perhaps, not uncoincidentally) Byte magazine/prolific science fiction author JERRY POURNELLE :wacko: (with co-author, Larry Niven) wrote two novels trying (in his typically modest way) to update Dante: Inferno and Escape From Hell, in which the authors assign everyone that they didn't like to that warmer climate. I don't think that they included Ayn Rand (probably an oversight, since nonbelievers do not fare well by their estimate). Instead, they populated hell with alterboys and others who accused Catholic Priests of sexually molesting them. You read that right, the accusers and victims went to hell :huh: , the priests apparently received absolution :rolleyes: .

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It is reliably suggested by his biographers that Sir Isaac Newton was a Unitarian, deriving his theology from his explorations of Arianism.

Seventh Day Adventists deny the existence of hell.

I hope they realize they will go to hell for that.

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I think its good when Christians get into Universal Salvation.

Why?

It takes away one of the most powerful psychological weapons that Christian churches have traditionally used to control their followers.

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