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      Major Update to OL (please click to open)   02/09/2016

      Sorry for the inconvenience, but we had to update OL and there have been some serious changes made by IPB. The real bad news is that they had to merge User Names and Display Names. This meant that I had to choose between bad and bad. I opted to keep the log-on information the same, so you can get on OL like you always did, but now your User Name is displayed. If your User Name and Display Name were the same, you will not feel the change. If they were different, you are probably irritated right now. I will figure out how you can change this so you can revert to the Display Name you used before if you like, however this may entail a change in how you log-on. The good news is that OL is now searchable from the very beginning. This means all the old posts from the A-Team in Objectivism (and everybody else) will finally show up when you search for something. I will keep changing this announcement as we adapt to these new changes. It's a pain, I know, but after looking around the backend for a bit, I believe the benefits will far, far outweigh the current irritation. They changed things in a hamhanded way and I don't like that, but I can't do anything about it. Benefit-wise, they actually did a good job, so please bear with us. In addition to this change, many good things are coming over time. You are the reason OL exists and I am sorry you have to go through this. Think of it like birth pangs... (All right, all right, that's forcing it.  ) Michael
J.S. McGowan

Hello from South Africa

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I live in South Africa. And I have beein into objectivism for at least 2 years. Its not an idea that many here are familiar with (especially seeming though the area i live in is predominantly populated by christians)

I go to a christian high school and would be interested in discussing objectivist topic with people my age. :-)

just btw: I have read Atlas Shrugged, Fountain Head, Anthem, the Virtue of Selfishness and at the moment im reading We the Living.

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Welcome to OL Jacob:

We have a regular poster here from South Africa named Tony who posts under, wHYNOT.

He is older and comes from Johannesburg. He is a great guy.

What are you studying? I am not that familiar with your school system.

You will find some great folks here to talk with. We have a number of younger folks that are around your age.

Fortunately, or unfortunately, most of us are older.

Adam

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hey adam.nice to get a speedy reply :) I study history, Business studies and art.

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hey adam.nice to get a speedy reply :smile: I study history, Business studies and art.

Jacob:

No problem. You are about 7-8 hours later in South Africa correct?

Have you ever read A Very Strange Society, by Alan Drury? http://www.amazon.com/Very-Strange-Society-Journey-Africa/dp/0671781758

A very strange society - TAU SA

TAU SA

03 October 2011

Union asks who'll feed the ANC's supporters, once farmers are given the final knock-out punch

In 1967, American author the late Allen[sic. Alan] Drury wrote "A Very Strange society", a book publicized as a "journey into the heart of South Africa ". Until the day he died, Drury never printed updated editions where simpler explanations for the strangeness he encountered could be relayed to the world. South Africa is indeed strange and the fact that it still works after a fashion is something of a miracle, given the demands upon the few producers and the expectations of the many consumers.

Drury said South Africa was unique - he never quite understood what he confronted. There was no "solution" at the end of his book, and he departed these shores more confused than when he arrived. Forty odd years on, South Africa is more baffling than ever - one element alone worth a magnifying glass is the ANC government's behavior towards the most important component of the country - the commercial farming sector. The very people who are the linchpin of the ANC's power are, paradoxically, the very target of the government's vindictiveness and animosity.

http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=259258&sn=Marketingweb+detail

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I live in South Africa. And I have beein into objectivism for at least 2 years. Its not an idea that many here are familiar with (especially seeming though the area i live in is predominantly populated by christians)

I go to a christian high school and would be interested in discussing objectivist topic with people my age. :-)

just btw: I have read Atlas Shrugged, Fountain Head, Anthem, the Virtue of Selfishness and at the moment im reading We the Living.

I love listening to folks from South Africa. They have one of my favorite "icksints".

Ba'al Chatzaf

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Welcome, Jacob.

We just had a small thread about the South African Constitution. You might try your hand at navigating the system and finding it.

Peter Taylor

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unfortunately chatzaf: im originally from the UK and I only moved down here 4 years ago. I have managed to retain my British "icksint" :-)

Il defenitely have a look for that thread bout south African constitution and Il look into that book adam- thanks.

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this is a question iv had on my mind for a long time that i have wanted to be answered by a senior objectivist. In South Africa we have the Reconstruction and Development Program and the Broad Based Black Economic Empowerment policys: these are put in place to redistribute wealth in South Africa. I know they are wrong but when I take into account the sins of apartheid I wonder whether it would go against causality for "all to be forgiven".

My question, for some one willing to put an answer in black and white terms, is whether or not some form of retribution for the racist policies, of the white Nationalist Government, needs to take place in South Africa and whether retribution (of some form or another) is moraly justified?

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